"The Holocaust isn't about race" Whoopi Goldberg on the View

[Scott Mayers]

I just saw on CNN that Whoopi apologized for a comment on the View saying that the "Holocaust isn't about race". Now I happen to agree in part with this because the more general fact about the Holocaust was that it involved ANYONE whom was EITHER thought inferior or to those who have some desire to annihilate those who seemed to be in direct competition to the Germanic version of what they thought the community of the Jews represented to them.

What is your thoughts given Whoopi apologized. Note that it is hard to determine whether Whoopi meant an apology necessarily given that others of "The View" had been simply fired for mere controversial interpretations (like how Sharon Osbourne was fired for daring to suggest that her friend, Piers Morgan's comments on his own show regarding something presumed 'racist' was not!).

[See Sharon's interview with Bill Maher for Sharon's firing on the View; See Whoopi's comments on the View and her apology]

I find that the concept of "Semitism" is fuzzy given it suggests a combined intepretation of ones' genetics to one's environmental behaviors and beliefs. I trust that the major reason for the Nazi's interest in annhilating them was excused genetically at time when Eugenics was popular but that the rationale behind it was contributed to by how National Socialism was determined to be what the Jews themselves were doing: isolating their own genetically AND culturally.

Of course, Christianity contributed indirectly by its open door policy on people regardless of the unacceptability of this within the then strictly 'Semitic' beliefs of the Jews in Roman times. Also, since Christianity was against usary ('capitalizing' through monetary trading, interest, and profiteering.) Because such restrictions on the Christian community existed against this, they USED (not to be punny) the Jewish's lack of such laws as a safety net: if a Christian were desperate, although they couldn't get a loan from Christian sources, the Jewish community provided this illegal avenue.

But I believe that if one wants to stop racism, groups that fight it should NOT be affiliated with some SPECIFIC class of victims. That is, if you STAND as a 'race' ('sex' or general genetic component) against racism (sexism, or other anti-genetic bias), you SUPPORT the cause for others to justly question because it suggests a UNIQUE angelic state to a whole race, sex, or genetically defined class with the same arrogant belief that the component of the opposing extreme are all demonic. There is ONLY "White Supremacists" given any other 'supremacist' is treated as merely innocently representing 'pride'.

What do you guys think?

[Please be cautious of HOW you respond so we can keep this a philosophical discussion and not some political opportunity to attack others. If others are supposedly discriminating against us, we do not need to amplify this by reflecting it back with anger or frustration. ]

[Age]

How could the so-called "nazi's" annihilation of "jews" have absolutely ANY thing at all to do with 'race'?

If being a so-called "jew", "muslim", or "christian" has ANY thing at all to do with 'race', then how exactly?

ANY adult human being can CHOOSE to have and maintain religious views or beliefs like "jewish" ones, "christian" ones, or "muslim" ones.

So, if someone wants to annihilate a human being or human beings of some 'religion', then what 'religion' a human being has CHOSEN to follow or BELIEVE IN, then this can only happen ACCURATELY through CLARIFYING QUESTIONING, and absolute TOTAL Honesty, and NOT through 'race' AT ALL.

And, with enough CLARIFYING QUESTIONING, and absolute TOTAL Honesty, then what each 'religion' entails ACTUALLY could NOT be done ACCURATELY and IN AGREEMENT.

Furthermore, 'race' is ALSO NOT even an ACTUAL 'thing', which could be SEPARATED, DISTINGUISHED APART, and IDENTIFIED ACCURATELY IN AGREEMENT, either.

[Iwannaplato]

I just saw on CNN that Whoopi apologized for a comment on the View saying that the "Holocaust isn't about race". Now I happen to agree in part with this because the more general fact about the Holocaust was that it involved ANYONE whom was EITHER thought inferior or to those who have some desire to annihilate those who seemed to be in direct competition to the Germanic version of what they thought the community of the Jews represented to them.

Well, the Nazis spent a lot of time aiming hatred at what they considered a race, the Jews. That they were racist against Roma, doesn't take away from their racism against what they considered a race, the Jews. That they hated Communists and jailed and concentration camped communists doesn't take away from their racists tracts, books, speeches, radio programs, race laws that justified kiling this person but not that one based on how much they belonged to or had genes of a race. That they killed developmentally disabled people does not take away from their racism. They were racist against Jews and spent more time focused on this racism - in terms of propaganda - than they spend on other races and groups. But, sure they hated other people also. If i hate black people and also want to euthanize people who have cleft palates or men who wear their hair long, this doesn't take away from my racism. Nor does the Nazi hatred and killing of other groups mean that the Holocaust, which is a term focusing on the killing based on race which was primarily focused on Jews, but yes also got aimed at Roma, Poles. But the term, which was actually first used in relation to Armenians by the Ottomans (sabout race) and later got focused on the genocidal project aimed at the Jews. It wasn't coincidental at so many Jews were killed. They were chosen due to race, even if they were good at chess and being a doctor and were anti.communist.

The term was specifically used to refer to genocidal race based killing, that is on a broad scale. That is what the term meant. It did not mean, the killing done by the Nazis on any grounds. It was focused primarily on the Jews because this was the most ambitious facet of the racial killing I would guess also that since Roma, for example, were killed in smaller numbers, had little lobbying power in countries like the US - which is where the term arose - and even whose deaths might not have been noticed so well internationally during the war when the term was first used to describe, yes, the genocidal racist killing of Jews.

That's what the term was intended to be used for.

[Iwannaplato]

How could the so-called "nazi's" annihilation of "jews" have absolutely ANY thing at all to do with 'race'?

If being a so-called "jew", "muslim", or "christian" has ANY thing at all to do with 'race', then how exactly?

Well, that might be a good question to have asked the Nazis who clearly thought the Jews were a race. Christianity is not race based. It might have been Jewish in the beginning, but long before the Nazis were destroying their own country and many people elsewhere, Christianity was clearly followed by many races Yes, there are some Jews who are not racially Jewish. But these people were not in Germany, for the most part, and were not a threat, and certainly not the internal one the Nazis were obsessed with. Islam while associated with Arabs not race based and easy to join. To become a Jew you have to be tested and go through a rather intense process, especially if you have not been circumcized. You do not have to get rid of your foreskin in Islam. To become a Christian you can just start attending a church or even just follow the religion in your own way. Of course, some Christians might think you need to be baptized. But there is no agreement about what one must do and there is nothing like an adult circumcisn,

ANY adult human being can CHOOSE to have and maintain religious views or beliefs like "jewish" ones, "christian" ones, or "muslim" ones.

Sure. But that doesn't mean there isn't a racial component in actually being Jewish.

So, if someone wants to annihilate a human being or human beings of some 'religion', then what 'religion' a human being has CHOSEN to follow or BELIEVE IN, then this can only happen ACCURATELY through CLARIFYING QUESTIONING, and absolute TOTAL Honesty, and NOT through 'race' AT ALL.

The Nazis didn't care what Jews believed. Secular atheist jews were killed in large numbers. In many countries on the Axis side conversion to say Catholicism was absolutely no protection. The races laws were blood laws, thus genetic laws.

[Walker]

Whoopi was suspended (big whoop) but it took her five trips to haul ass off the set.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I so sick of all these pathetic faux apologies and all the fuckwits who pretend to be offended all the time.

[Immanuel Can]

Whoopi was suspended (big whoop) but it took her five trips to haul ass off the set.

"Goldberg." Her last name is "Goldberg." She's not Jewish, but she goes by "Goldberg."

And she's denying the racism of the Holocaust.

Y' know, sometimes irony is just too obvious.

[Impenitent]

Whoopi was suspended (big whoop) but it took her five trips to haul ass off the set.

"Goldberg." Her last name is "Goldberg." She's not Jewish, but she goes by "Goldberg."

And she's denying the racism of the Holocaust.

Y' know, sometimes irony is just too obvious.

Caryn Johnson has been exploiting the Jews ever since she took her stage name...

-Imp

[Walker]

Whoopi was suspended (big whoop) but it took her five trips to haul ass off the set.

"Goldberg." Her last name is "Goldberg." She's not Jewish, but she goes by "Goldberg."

And she's denying the racism of the Holocaust.

Y' know, sometimes irony is just too obvious.

Changing her name was a way to brown-nose the Masters of Hollywood.

[Walker]

I so sick of all these pathetic faux apologies and all the fuckwits who pretend to be offended all the time.

Wouldn't you know it, she's one of them Karens.

If folks don't have any problems they tend to find some.
Perhaps the universe of problems doesn't tolerate a vacuum.

[commonsense]

How could the so-called "nazi's" annihilation of "jews" have absolutely ANY thing at all to do with 'race'?

If being a so-called "jew", "muslim", or "christian" has ANY thing at all to do with 'race', then how exactly?

ANY adult human being can CHOOSE to have and maintain religious views or beliefs like "jewish" ones, "christian" ones, or "muslim" ones.

So, if someone wants to annihilate a human being or human beings of some 'religion', then what 'religion' a human being has CHOSEN to follow or BELIEVE IN, then this can only happen ACCURATELY through CLARIFYING QUESTIONING, and absolute TOTAL Honesty, and NOT through 'race' AT ALL.

And, with enough CLARIFYING QUESTIONING, and absolute TOTAL Honesty, then what each 'religion' entails ACTUALLY could NOT be done ACCURATELY and IN AGREEMENT.

Furthermore, 'race' is ALSO NOT even an ACTUAL 'thing', which could be SEPARATED, DISTINGUISHED APART, and IDENTIFIED ACCURATELY IN AGREEMENT, either.

I just wanted to comment on your point that a person can choose their religion or religious beliefs.

I believe that in the early twentieth century a Jew was a person borne of two Jewish parents, who each were borne of two Jewish parents, and so on all the way back to the first ones who met this criteria.

For the most part there was no choice, only a fact of birth. Intermarriage and conversion were negligible sources of Jews.

Of course your remarks that religion can be a matter of choice is correct at the present time.

[commonsense]

Whoopi was suspended (big whoop) but it took her five trips to haul ass off the set.

"Goldberg." Her last name is "Goldberg." She's not Jewish, but she goes by "Goldberg."

And she's denying the racism of the Holocaust.

Y' know, sometimes irony is just too obvious.

However, if “Goldberg” is a “Jewish name”, would it surprise anyone if Whoopi thought that blacks, and by extension people of any race, could be Jewish?

[commonsense]

I so sick of all these pathetic faux apologies and all the fuckwits who pretend to be offended all the time.

How do you know when an apology is insincere? Do tell.

[Immanuel Can]

However, if “Goldberg” is a “Jewish name”, would it surprise anyone if Whoopi thought that blacks, and by extension people of any race, could be Jewish?

From her comments, you can tell exactly what she thinks. She bluntly said, on Stephen Colbert, when trying to excuse her earlier words, that Jews are white, and Germans are white, so the Holocaust was white-on-white, an in-group fight, and hence, "not racist."

Not much of an apology, really. More like, "I'm sorry you people are so offended, but you wouldn't be, if you were smarter." A funny sort of position for somebody to take when supposedly retracting. Sort of a "whoopsi," Ms. Goldberg.

The bottom line is that she doesn't thinks Jews can be blacks, or blacks Jews; she thinks that Jews are "whitey." And whitey can't experience racism.

No wonder the new name for Critical Social Justice is "Neo-Racism." It's a much better label, actually.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The Nazis were the very definition of racist, which is why all the fuckwit wokies with their phony hand-wringing and ridiculous over-use of the word need to fuck off and study their dictionaries.

And to the idiot who asked how I knew it was a faux apology: When you say what you think, and and then retract it because some fuckwit with power has threatened your job because they didn't like you having an opinion that wasn't the one they thought you should have then yes, that's clearly a faux apology.

And isn't Whoopi Goldberg a woke twit herself? Hmm. It's always nice when fuckwits get a taste of their own medicine...