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Sustainable or not, takin' care of one's self and [u]voluntarily[/u] helpin' others is the only [i]moral[/i] path.
Anything else puts makes one into a resource for others, which is [i]immoral[/i].
[b]*Once upon a time, this used to be quite obvious the the vast majority.[/b]
[b]**When, how, and why did people become so incredibly dependent?[/b]
*Such recognitions are still local and -- unfortunately -- transitory. Bastiat said it best, I think...
[i]Self-preservation and self-development are common aspirations among all people. And if everyone enjoyed the unrestricted use of his faculties and the free disposition of the fruits of his labor, social progress would be ceaseless, uninterrupted, and unfailing.
But there is also another tendency that is common among people. When they can, they wish to live and prosper at the expense of others. This is no rash accusation. Nor does it come from a gloomy and uncharitable spirit. The annals of history bear witness to the truth of it: the incessant wars, mass migrations, religious persecutions, universal slavery, dishonesty in commerce, and monopolies. This fatal desire has its origin in the very nature of man — in that primitive, universal, and insuppressible instinct that impels him to satisfy his desires with the least possible pain.[/i]
**When we got hoodwinked into thinkin' a [i]finer clay[/i], as Bastiat called 'em, had a better handle on ours lives than we do, and that these [i]legislators[/i] could fill our bellies, ease our troubles, kiss our boo-boos, etc.
The socialist, the technocrat, the benevolent slaver, they know best, so they say, and we believe 'em...no matter how often they slide it up our keisters, no matter how many times they lie, no matter how much they fail, we keep right believin' 'em...the teat they offer, and sometimes force upon us, is dry and shriveled, but we suck on it anyway.
And: by [i]we[/i] I mean [i]the majority[/i] of any place or time.
Man has come a long way down a bloody road from slaver-kings to sumthin' approachin' a wide spread recognition of individual freedom and sovereignty (and an appreciation of the liberty that extends out of that recognition), but Man has a long way to go still, cuz we don't value individual freedom and sovereignty enough to override that [i]fatal tendency[/i] Bastiat wrote about.
TLDR: People tend to be good in good circumstances and vice versa,