On wars
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:53 pm
The war in Vietnam has been called an unjust war. What wars have been just? Why so?
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Are you saying that both sides are required to be in the right or that both must believe or claim to be right?FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:44 pm Does this whole war have to be just, or simply the motives and behaviour of one of the contestants? If the latter, then there are lots of options, but the former seems unrealistic as it would require both sides to be in the right, which I reckon is somewhat at odds with the agressor vs defender thing that is usually used to justify any war.
Tricky one. I mean for the war itself to be just, then all parties involved would need to be engaged in some just cause, which I imagine would paradoxically require them to resolve their dispute by other means.commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:54 pmAre you saying that both sides are required to be in the right or that both must believe or claim to be right?FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:44 pm Does this whole war have to be just, or simply the motives and behaviour of one of the contestants? If the latter, then there are lots of options, but the former seems unrealistic as it would require both sides to be in the right, which I reckon is somewhat at odds with the agressor vs defender thing that is usually used to justify any war.
I think that is the wrong question, somewhat. I would phrase it differently; when is violence just?commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:53 pm The war in Vietnam has been called an unjust war. What wars have been just? Why so?
Many would say that preventing harm to another may be a justified use of force. Yet I doubt there’s been a war to prevent a person from murdering another person. War is not merely a specific case of violence, it’s a special, and perhaps unique, case of violence.KLewchuk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:12 amI think that is the wrong question, somewhat. I would phrase it differently; when is violence just?commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:53 pm The war in Vietnam has been called an unjust war. What wars have been just? Why so?
A war is same in nature to the question of the use of violence in general.
the American Revolution?commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:53 pm The war in Vietnam has been called an unjust war. What wars have been just? Why so?
this one's easy: in defense of self or anotherKLewchuk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:12 amI think that is the wrong question, somewhat. I would phrase it differently; when is violence just?commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:53 pm The war in Vietnam has been called an unjust war. What wars have been just? Why so?
A war is same in nature to the question of the use of violence in general.
This is a dissertation. I am a consequentialist, which makes ethics both relevant and challenging.commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:55 amMany would say that preventing harm to another may be a justified use of force. Yet I doubt there’s been a war to prevent a person from murdering another person. War is not merely a specific case of violence, it’s a special, and perhaps unique, case of violence.KLewchuk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:12 amI think that is the wrong question, somewhat. I would phrase it differently; when is violence just?commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:53 pm The war in Vietnam has been called an unjust war. What wars have been just? Why so?
A war is same in nature to the question of the use of violence in general.
But what’s your answer to the question of your choosing?
So true.
OMG, this gets so tiresome.
Are you suggesting that because I have the belief that a war’s victor decides how history will view the war and its causes and how each side’s methods will be judged, I have no empathy?KLewchuk wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:43 amOMG, this gets so tiresome.
Would you sell your wife or child for a TV? If so, you are unhealthy and don't know what brings well being. Would you sell your TV for someone else's life? Well, you have no empathy. Does empathy ultimately, in balance, contribute to well being more than a TV? Yes. So, you have no idea of what brings well being.
Is this really that complicated?