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Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by Luxin » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:01 pm

August 29, 2019

[ See the shocking YouTube video regarding a 10-year investigation of the atrocity committed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in the People's Republic of China (PRC) -- that of killing members of the Falun Gong for the removal (while they are alive) and transplanting of their organs into the bodies of desperate organ buyers. The video is called "Harvested Alive - 10 years investigation of force organ harvesting". ]

As "harvesting" is a euphemism, I'll state this horrific moral disaster in unequivocal terms. The Falun Gong is a "spiritual" organization allegedly comprised of about 100 million members in China. These people are currently being used as a source of live organ transplants in the PRC. Words do not seem enough to define this outrageous open secret of the CCP, which is not a government, but a cruel and loathsome criminal organization, a bunch of lowlife gangsters who appear to be human but are not.

Imagine how you would feel if you were a Falun Gong member in the PRC, never knowing when you or anyone close to you who was also a FG member might be kidnapped and taken to a hospital to have your liver, your kidneys and your eyes removed by a monstrous doctor, then your body burned in the boiler room of the hospital, with your organs, within a matter of as little as 4 hours, being placed in the body of anyone within or visiting China who can pay the disgusting fee for your sacred body parts.

I will not here repeat the vile and casual utterances of the soulless monsters quoted in the referenced video, who openly affirmed -- to clever telephone investigators -- this enormous ongoing crime.

The Divine karmically retributive backlash to the moral disaster going on in China -- which also includes the persecution of Tibetans, Christians, and the Uygur muslims in western China -- is likely to bring the corrupt CCP to an early end. As other Chinese are also suffering from exploitation, work-related family fragmentation, and health problems due to pollution, it's likely that at some point the Chinese people will turn on the CCP.

The 1.4 billion people of China could bring about the final whimper of the comparatively few whiny little CCP bitches who are abusing, repressing, exploiting and murdering them. The CCP is so repressive because they are very afraid of an uprising. It's like they are an inept elephant trainer who fears their elephant is going to step on them. At the same time, with their suspicion raising belt and road project, and their shiny baubles of city infrastructure, the CCP is trying -- but failing -- to distract the rest of the world, and con us into believing they are model world citizens who can be trusted.

Although economies would no doubt suffer, ideally, as a matter of moral principle, no country should trade with China or accept anything further from them. The countries that accepted belt and road infrastructure are already leveraged by China. To have any relations at all with a very corrupt regime is to be tainted by association, just as anyone who associates with a gangster is in danger. Let the CCP rot in its own vile juices. The Chinese people will no doubt suffer, no matter what happens, but such is the price for allowing their little bitches to take charge. The world is paying the price for the Trump disaster brought about by the blind or dumb Americans who allowed a ridiculous racist con man to impress them.

A civil war, uprising or revolution is the means through which the abusive and the abused -- both evil and locked into their bad karma to the bitter end -- are removed from Life by Nature (or God), with both sides losing, and the slate "wiped clean" and ready for another round of ignorant corruption.

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Re: Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by Dachshund » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:01 am

Luxin wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:01 pm
August 29, 2019

[ See the shocking YouTube video regarding a 10-year investigation of the atrocity committed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in the People's Republic of China (PRC) -- that of killing members of the Falun Gong for the removal (while they are alive) and transplanting of their organs into the bodies of desperate organ buyers. The video is called "Harvested Alive - 10 years investigation of force organ harvesting". ]

As "harvesting" is a euphemism, I'll state this horrific moral disaster in unequivocal terms. The Falun Gong is a "spiritual" organization allegedly comprised of about 100 million members in China. These people are currently being used as a source of live organ transplants in the PRC. Words do not seem enough to define this outrageous open secret of the CCP, which is not a government, but a cruel and loathsome criminal organization, a bunch of lowlife gangsters who appear to be human but are not.

Imagine how you would feel if you were a Falun Gong member in the PRC, never knowing when you or anyone close to you who was also a FG member might be kidnapped and taken to a hospital to have your liver, your kidneys and your eyes removed by a monstrous doctor, then your body burned in the boiler room of the hospital, with your organs, within a matter of as little as 4 hours, being placed in the body of anyone within or visiting China who can pay the disgusting fee for your sacred body parts.

I will not here repeat the vile and casual utterances of the soulless monsters quoted in the referenced video, who openly affirmed -- to clever telephone investigators -- this enormous ongoing crime.

The Divine karmically retributive backlash to the moral disaster going on in China -- which also includes the persecution of Tibetans, Christians, and the Uygur muslims in western China -- is likely to bring the corrupt CCP to an early end. As other Chinese are also suffering from exploitation, work-related family fragmentation, and health problems due to pollution, it's likely that at some point the Chinese people will turn on the CCP.

The 1.4 billion people of China could bring about the final whimper of the comparatively few whiny little CCP bitches who are abusing, repressing, exploiting and murdering them. The CCP is so repressive because they are very afraid of an uprising. It's like they are an inept elephant trainer who fears their elephant is going to step on them. At the same time, with their suspicion raising belt and road project, and their shiny baubles of city infrastructure, the CCP is trying -- but failing -- to distract the rest of the world, and con us into believing they are model world citizens who can be trusted.

Although economies would no doubt suffer, ideally, as a matter of moral principle, no country should trade with China or accept anything further from them. The countries that accepted belt and road infrastructure are already leveraged by China. To have any relations at all with a very corrupt regime is to be tainted by association, just as anyone who associates with a gangster is in danger. Let the CCP rot in its own vile juices. The Chinese people will no doubt suffer, no matter what happens, but such is the price for allowing their little bitches to take charge. The world is paying the price for the Trump disaster brought about by the blind or dumb Americans who allowed a ridiculous racist con man to impress them.

A civil war, uprising or revolution is the means through which the abusive and the abused -- both evil and locked into their bad karma to the bitter end -- are removed from Life by Nature (or God), with both sides losing, and the slate "wiped clean" and ready for another round of ignorant corruption.

Wake up, Sweetheart,


The giant scale abortion-on-demand industry in the United States already makes a fortune selling the organs and various types of human tissue (nervous, muscular, etc.) from aborted foetuses. The ironically named "Planned Parenthood" organisation makes a fortune selling the "bits and pieces" of dissected foetuses to biomedical research institutions and other bioscience research companies in America.

China is now essentially a capitalist economy, so it is not a Marxist socialist state in that sense. However, China is a totalitarian state in the sense that the Communist Party Politburo is all powerful and tyrannical. There is no individual/ personal: liberty, equality, justice, political freedom, freedom of speech for the people of China.

One would need to be a brave soul to publicly protest any oppressive policies (or explicitly criminal activities) of the CCP in China. My guess is that if you did, and you became too much of a nuisance or embarassment to the powers that be, you would simply "disappear" (i.e. be kidnapped one night and have a bullet put through your head).


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Re: Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:23 am

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:01 am
Luxin wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:01 pm
August 29, 2019

[ See the shocking YouTube video regarding a 10-year investigation of the atrocity committed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in the People's Republic of China (PRC) -- that of killing members of the Falun Gong for the removal (while they are alive) and transplanting of their organs into the bodies of desperate organ buyers. The video is called "Harvested Alive - 10 years investigation of force organ harvesting". ]

As "harvesting" is a euphemism, I'll state this horrific moral disaster in unequivocal terms. The Falun Gong is a "spiritual" organization allegedly comprised of about 100 million members in China. These people are currently being used as a source of live organ transplants in the PRC. Words do not seem enough to define this outrageous open secret of the CCP, which is not a government, but a cruel and loathsome criminal organization, a bunch of lowlife gangsters who appear to be human but are not.

Imagine how you would feel if you were a Falun Gong member in the PRC, never knowing when you or anyone close to you who was also a FG member might be kidnapped and taken to a hospital to have your liver, your kidneys and your eyes removed by a monstrous doctor, then your body burned in the boiler room of the hospital, with your organs, within a matter of as little as 4 hours, being placed in the body of anyone within or visiting China who can pay the disgusting fee for your sacred body parts.

I will not here repeat the vile and casual utterances of the soulless monsters quoted in the referenced video, who openly affirmed -- to clever telephone investigators -- this enormous ongoing crime.

The Divine karmically retributive backlash to the moral disaster going on in China -- which also includes the persecution of Tibetans, Christians, and the Uygur muslims in western China -- is likely to bring the corrupt CCP to an early end. As other Chinese are also suffering from exploitation, work-related family fragmentation, and health problems due to pollution, it's likely that at some point the Chinese people will turn on the CCP.

The 1.4 billion people of China could bring about the final whimper of the comparatively few whiny little CCP bitches who are abusing, repressing, exploiting and murdering them. The CCP is so repressive because they are very afraid of an uprising. It's like they are an inept elephant trainer who fears their elephant is going to step on them. At the same time, with their suspicion raising belt and road project, and their shiny baubles of city infrastructure, the CCP is trying -- but failing -- to distract the rest of the world, and con us into believing they are model world citizens who can be trusted.

Although economies would no doubt suffer, ideally, as a matter of moral principle, no country should trade with China or accept anything further from them. The countries that accepted belt and road infrastructure are already leveraged by China. To have any relations at all with a very corrupt regime is to be tainted by association, just as anyone who associates with a gangster is in danger. Let the CCP rot in its own vile juices. The Chinese people will no doubt suffer, no matter what happens, but such is the price for allowing their little bitches to take charge. The world is paying the price for the Trump disaster brought about by the blind or dumb Americans who allowed a ridiculous racist con man to impress them.

A civil war, uprising or revolution is the means through which the abusive and the abused -- both evil and locked into their bad karma to the bitter end -- are removed from Life by Nature (or God), with both sides losing, and the slate "wiped clean" and ready for another round of ignorant corruption.

Wake up, Sweetheart,


The giant scale abortion-on-demand industry in the United States already makes a fortune selling the organs and various types of human tissue (nervous, muscular, etc.) from aborted foetuses. The ironically named "Planned Parenthood" organisation makes a fortune selling the "bits and pieces" of dissected foetuses to biomedical research institutions and other bioscience research companies in America.

China is now essentially a capitalist economy, so it is not a Marxist socialist state in that sense. However, China is a totalitarian state in the sense that the Communist Party Politburo is all powerful and tyrannical. There is no individual/ personal: liberty, equality, justice, political freedom, freedom of speech for the people of China.

One would need to be a brave soul to publicly protest any oppressive policies (or explicitly criminal activities) of the CCP in China. My guess is that if you did, and you became too much of a nuisance or embarassment to the powers that be, you would simply "disappear" (i.e. be kidnapped one night and have a bullet put through your head).


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You are so full of shit. Do you have any idea how tiny a 7 week old embryo is? And what do you care anyway? I bet you wouldn't say no to a cancer cure if it had come from stem cell research. You are typical of the hypocritical wankers of the religious nutjob anti-choice movement. You whine incessantly about rampant immigration by 'inferior races' then claim to weep bucketloads of tears over their lentil-sized embroyos.
What a piece of work you are.
Just think of all the inferior-raced aborted foetuses that you don't have to be offended by.

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Re: Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by Dachshund » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:16 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:23 am


You are so full of shit. Do you have any idea how tiny a 7 week old embryo is? And what do you care anyway? I bet you wouldn't say no to a cancer cure if it had come from stem cell research. You are typical of the hypocritical wankers of the religious nutjob anti-choice movement. You whine incessantly about rampant immigration by 'inferior races' then claim to weep bucketloads of tears over their lentil-sized embroyos.
What a piece of work you are.
Just think of all the inferior-raced aborted foetuses that you don't have to be offended by.

Vegetable,


Why don't you do something useful with your life, like go to your nearest Noiseyland taxidermy business and "Get Stuffed" ! :D

Whoever imaged that a modern-day Western country would be full of TAXIDERMY businesses. The landed gentry in England used to take dead animals they'd killed in hunts like foxes and badger or favourite pet dogs and cats that had died to taxidermists for preserving in the later half of the 19th century. They would then put the preserved animals in glass cabinets so they could be used to teach their children lessons in biology. (The educated classes in England at the time were keen amateur biological scientists (loved to go hunting for fossils and rare species of butterflies, beetles and plants like orchids, etc.) But they stopped the practice of having dead animals stuffed by taxidermists a LONG time ago, because they realised it was basically SICK.

But not the feral KIWIs, no, they just love loadin' up the old 4WD with guns and beer and headin' off for a good old shootin' spree out in the Whoop Whoops, so they can have great time blowing alway dangerous Nisland beasts like Red Deers and any random birds they spot. Best of all they can take the animals corpses back to their friendly, local psychopath taxidermist for stuffing; coz there's nothing more tasteful than having your living room at home decorated with the preserved corpses of native animals. That's class with a capital "C".

Some people might say that the Nisland Pakehas who do this are backward, ignorant ferals; that they are grubs who are a disgrace to the White human race. But, hey, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? I mean the poor bastards don't really know any better, do they. I think the best way to sort out the problem would be to deport all the KIWI taxidermists to somewhere pleasant like South Africa. With no taxidermists in Nisland there would be far less hunting and killing of your native animals? What do you think of that proposal Veggie ?

Aroha xxx


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Post by Sculptor » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:23 pm

It's a fun ny old world.
There are plenty who contribute to this site will not be too bothered.

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Re: Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:38 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:16 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:23 am


You are so full of shit. Do you have any idea how tiny a 7 week old embryo is? And what do you care anyway? I bet you wouldn't say no to a cancer cure if it had come from stem cell research. You are typical of the hypocritical wankers of the religious nutjob anti-choice movement. You whine incessantly about rampant immigration by 'inferior races' then claim to weep bucketloads of tears over their lentil-sized embroyos.
What a piece of work you are.
Just think of all the inferior-raced aborted foetuses that you don't have to be offended by.

Vegetable,


Why don't you do something useful with your life, like go to your nearest Noiseyland taxidermy business and "Get Stuffed" ! :D

Whoever imaged that a modern-day Western country would be full of TAXIDERMY businesses. The landed gentry in England used to take dead animals they'd killed in hunts like foxes and badger or favourite pet dogs and cats that had died to taxidermists for preserving in the later half of the 19th century. They would then put the preserved animals in glass cabinets so they could be used to teach their children lessons in biology. (The educated classes in England at the time were keen amateur biological scientists (loved to go hunting for fossils and rare species of butterflies, beetles and plants like orchids, etc.) But they stopped the practice of having dead animals stuffed by taxidermists a LONG time ago, because they realised it was basically SICK.

But not the feral KIWIs, no, they just love loadin' up the old 4WD with guns and beer and headin' off for a good old shootin' spree out in the Whoop Whoops, so they can have great time blowing alway dangerous Nisland beasts like Red Deers and any random birds they spot. Best of all they can take the animals corpses back to their friendly, local psychopath taxidermist for stuffing; coz there's nothing more tasteful than having your living room at home decorated with the preserved corpses of native animals. That's class with a capital "C".

Some people might say that the Nisland Pakehas who do this are backward, ignorant ferals; that they are grubs who are a disgrace to the White human race. But, hey, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? I mean the poor bastards don't really know any better, do they. I think the best way to sort out the problem would be to deport all the KIWI taxidermists to somewhere pleasant like South Africa. With no taxidermists in Nisland there would be far less hunting and killing of your native animals? What do you think of that proposal Veggie ?

Aroha xxx


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What an idiot. Deer aren't native to Nyu Zind--which is why Kiwis love to blow them to bits. Those moronic Kiwis worship their dreary native animals--but only for political reasons. You see, all the (far more attractive) exotic species are seen as 'hated colonialist oppressors'. Same goes for the flora. Many a beautiful (but evil colonialist) oak or elm has been felled in favour of 'virtuous' plants like 'korfai' and 'glorious, awe-inspiring' (dreary brown) flax bushes. Hedgehogs are now on the PC fashion trend hitlist-- because they 'might' eat some 'sacred native' slugs and wetas. Odd that no one seems to mind the 'native' cows, 'native' sheep, 'native' humans or 'native' property developers whose hideous noddy housing developments are slaughtering slugs and wetas (virtuous native ones) wholesale while they cut a swathe through NZ's famously 'clean and green' environment (what a crock that is. More like damp, depressing and drab environment).


A glorious, politically safe Kiwi 'garden'.(But not fully 'safe',because it has some evil colonialist grass.)

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Evil colonialist flower garden.

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Evil colonialist oppressor.

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Btw, as a South African immigrant isn't it a tad hypocritical of you to whine about immigrants? South Africans aren't exactly the most popular people around, descending like a swarm of locusts on any country that will have them, much like Fijiian Indians (but at least the South Africans give us someone we can understand when we phone call centres-- which seem to be staffed exclusively by both).

ps. The Kiwi bird is so stupid that it has brought about its own extinction by laying an egg bigger than itself which it carries around in a suitcase. (And they have the nerve to blame hedgehogs).

pps. By 'whoop whoops' I think you mean 'wops'.

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Re: Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:09 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:16 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:23 am


You are so full of shit. Do you have any idea how tiny a 7 week old embryo is? And what do you care anyway? I bet you wouldn't say no to a cancer cure if it had come from stem cell research. You are typical of the hypocritical wankers of the religious nutjob anti-choice movement. You whine incessantly about rampant immigration by 'inferior races' then claim to weep bucketloads of tears over their lentil-sized embroyos.
What a piece of work you are.
Just think of all the inferior-raced aborted foetuses that you don't have to be offended by.

Vegetable,


Why don't you do something useful with your life, like go to your nearest Noiseyland taxidermy business and "Get Stuffed" ! :D

Whoever imaged that a modern-day Western country would be full of TAXIDERMY businesses. The landed gentry in England used to take dead animals they'd killed in hunts like foxes and badger or favourite pet dogs and cats that had died to taxidermists for preserving in the later half of the 19th century. They would then put the preserved animals in glass cabinets so they could be used to teach their children lessons in biology. (The educated classes in England at the time were keen amateur biological scientists (loved to go hunting for fossils and rare species of butterflies, beetles and plants like orchids, etc.) But they stopped the practice of having dead animals stuffed by taxidermists a LONG time ago, because they realised it was basically SICK.

But not the feral KIWIs, no, they just love loadin' up the old 4WD with guns and beer and headin' off for a good old shootin' spree out in the Whoop Whoops, so they can have great time blowing alway dangerous Nisland beasts like Red Deers and any random birds they spot. Best of all they can take the animals corpses back to their friendly, local psychopath taxidermist for stuffing; coz there's nothing more tasteful than having your living room at home decorated with the preserved corpses of native animals. That's class with a capital "C".

Some people might say that the Nisland Pakehas who do this are backward, ignorant ferals; that they are grubs who are a disgrace to the White human race. But, hey, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? I mean the poor bastards don't really know any better, do they. I think the best way to sort out the problem would be to deport all the KIWI taxidermists to somewhere pleasant like South Africa. With no taxidermists in Nisland there would be far less hunting and killing of your native animals? What do you think of that proposal Veggie ?

Aroha xxx


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Post by Dachshund » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:50 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:09 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:16 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:23 am


You are so full of shit. Do you have any idea how tiny a 7 week old embryo is? And what do you care anyway? I bet you wouldn't say no to a cancer cure if it had come from stem cell research. You are typical of the hypocritical wankers of the religious nutjob anti-choice movement. You whine incessantly about rampant immigration by 'inferior races' then claim to weep bucketloads of tears over their lentil-sized embroyos.
What a piece of work you are.
Just think of all the inferior-raced aborted foetuses that you don't have to be offended by.

Vegetable,


Why don't you do something useful with your life, like go to your nearest Noiseyland taxidermy business and "Get Stuffed" ! :D

Whoever imaged that a modern-day Western country would be full of TAXIDERMY businesses. The landed gentry in England used to take dead animals they'd killed in hunts like foxes and badger or favourite pet dogs and cats that had died to taxidermists for preserving in the later half of the 19th century. They would then put the preserved animals in glass cabinets so they could be used to teach their children lessons in biology. (The educated classes in England at the time were keen amateur biological scientists (loved to go hunting for fossils and rare species of butterflies, beetles and plants like orchids, etc.) But they stopped the practice of having dead animals stuffed by taxidermists a LONG time ago, because they realised it was basically SICK.

But not the feral KIWIs, no, they just love loadin' up the old 4WD with guns and beer and headin' off for a good old shootin' spree out in the Whoop Whoops, so they can have great time blowing alway dangerous Nisland beasts like Red Deers and any random birds they spot. Best of all they can take the animals corpses back to their friendly, local psychopath taxidermist for stuffing; coz there's nothing more tasteful than having your living room at home decorated with the preserved corpses of native animals. That's class with a capital "C".

Some people might say that the Nisland Pakehas who do this are backward, ignorant ferals; that they are grubs who are a disgrace to the White human race. But, hey, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? I mean the poor bastards don't really know any better, do they. I think the best way to sort out the problem would be to deport all the KIWI taxidermists to somewhere pleasant like South Africa. With no taxidermists in Nisland there would be far less hunting and killing of your native animals? What do you think of that proposal Veggie ?

Aroha xxx


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Very interesting, Veggie; a Victorian Kiwi "taxidermist" showing off his collection of preserved Maori heads. Maybe this is how the Kiwi passion for taxidermy originated back in the 19th century?

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Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:55 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:50 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:09 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:16 pm



Vegetable,


Why don't you do something useful with your life, like go to your nearest Noiseyland taxidermy business and "Get Stuffed" ! :D

Whoever imaged that a modern-day Western country would be full of TAXIDERMY businesses. The landed gentry in England used to take dead animals they'd killed in hunts like foxes and badger or favourite pet dogs and cats that had died to taxidermists for preserving in the later half of the 19th century. They would then put the preserved animals in glass cabinets so they could be used to teach their children lessons in biology. (The educated classes in England at the time were keen amateur biological scientists (loved to go hunting for fossils and rare species of butterflies, beetles and plants like orchids, etc.) But they stopped the practice of having dead animals stuffed by taxidermists a LONG time ago, because they realised it was basically SICK.

But not the feral KIWIs, no, they just love loadin' up the old 4WD with guns and beer and headin' off for a good old shootin' spree out in the Whoop Whoops, so they can have great time blowing alway dangerous Nisland beasts like Red Deers and any random birds they spot. Best of all they can take the animals corpses back to their friendly, local psychopath taxidermist for stuffing; coz there's nothing more tasteful than having your living room at home decorated with the preserved corpses of native animals. That's class with a capital "C".

Some people might say that the Nisland Pakehas who do this are backward, ignorant ferals; that they are grubs who are a disgrace to the White human race. But, hey, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? I mean the poor bastards don't really know any better, do they. I think the best way to sort out the problem would be to deport all the KIWI taxidermists to somewhere pleasant like South Africa. With no taxidermists in Nisland there would be far less hunting and killing of your native animals? What do you think of that proposal Veggie ?

Aroha xxx


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Very interesting, Veggie; a Victorian Kiwi "taxidermist" showing off his collection of preserved Maori heads. Maybe this is how the Kiwi passion for taxidermy originated back in the 19th century?

Dachshund


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He's not a taxidermist and they aren't stuffed heads. The Maori had a delightful technique of removing the brain and eyes and sealing up the orifices with flax and gum, then boiling the head or steam-cooking it. They were then displayed on poles, similar to the way the English displayed heads on spikes not so long ago.

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Re: Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by Dachshund » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:20 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:55 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:50 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:09 pm


Image
Very interesting, Veggie; a Victorian Kiwi "taxidermist" showing off his collection of preserved Maori heads. Maybe this is how the Kiwi passion for taxidermy originated back in the 19th century?

Dachshund


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He's not a taxidermist and they aren't stuffed heads. The Maori had a delightful technique of removing the brain and eyes and sealing up the orifices with flax and gum, then boiling the head or steam-cooking it. They were then displayed on poles, similar to the way the English displayed heads on spikes not so long ago.

Yes, I know he's not a taxidermist. I was intrigued by that photograph and so I decided to find out the story behind it. If you're interested, here it is...

The preserved heads in the photo you posted are Maori, and they are called Mokomokai. In the 19th century they became collector items for Europeans because they had elaborate, well-crafted, traditional, full-facial tattooing on them known as Moko, which was practised in New Zealand by the Maori until about 1860.

Like you said Veggie, Mokomokai are not shrunken heads, they are preserved heads, and a kind of mummification process is used to prevent their facial skin rotting away. What happens is that when the Maori with Moko tattooing dies, first of all, his head is severed from his body, next the eyes and brain are removed, with all orifices sealed up with flax fibre and gum. The head was now boiled or steamed in an oven before being smoked over an open fire and then dried in the sun for several days. Finally it was treated with shark oil. The finished Mokomokai were then kept by their families in ornately carved boxes. The heads of enemy chiefs killed in battle were also preserved, these Mokomokai were regarded as trophies of war. Often they were set on pikes as objects of derision, and heartily insulted and condemned.

Moko facial tattooing was pretty much only performed on men, and only men of high status. Moko was expensive and the more elaborate forms of it were usually limited to chiefs and high-ranked Maori warriors. Interestingly enough one of the first Englishmen to see Moko tattoing on a Maori was Captain Cook in 1796. Moko designs are basically curvilinear and consist of intricately curved shapes and spirals. Cook wrote in his ship's Journal that he thought Moko tattooing was "elegant and drawn with great nicety." Joseph Banks, the famous botanist who was with Cook at the time was also fascinated and ended up trading a musket (an 18th century rifle) for a Mokomokai with some local Maoris.

Another Englishman who arrived in New Zealand in the first half of the 19th century and became obsessed with Mokomokai is the guy in your photo. His name was Major General Horatio Robley. He was a talented artist and was obsessed with styles of the graphic designs of the Moko on Maori Mokomokai. He loved the fact that he could take as much time as he liked to copy the Moko artwork into his sketch pads. Ultimately he ending up wanting to have some Mokomokai for himself, and said he was willing to trade one musket for one head. I expect that the preserved heads on display behind Robley in your photograph are part of his personal collection.

The practice of trading Mokomokai for muskets and ammunition with the British colonists in New Zealand actually ended up causing a lot of bloodshed and death in what were called the Musket War, which were a series of some 3000 battles between warring Maori tribes that spread right across New Zealand that took place between 1807 and 1845. What happened was this. Beginning in the early 1800s the British colonists who were in New Zealand: merchants; sailors; traders; army personnel; settlers, etc all had firearms, such as muskets. This was "par for the course." Back in those days, almost every British man in New Zealand would have had a musket and/or revolver for his self - defence and the defence of his family, in particular because he was ,after all, a pioneer, colonist in a strange new land where he might face any number of dangerous threats to his life and his loved ones.

The British in New Zealand were fascinated with Mokomokai, I think there was a morbid/outre element to their interest in them that, coupled with an appreciation of the aesthetic qualities of the the intricate Moko tattooing on the faces of the severed heads, made them highly desirable items to possess. What happened is that the Maori who were in contact with these British men in New Zealand, soon discovered that they could get themselves a musket, gunpowder and ammunition by trading Mokomokai (and other items). A good English-made musket didn't come cheap, so the Mokomokai were quite valuable items in the British market place. It didn't take long before a brisk trade in Mokomokai and muskets was established, it didn't take long either before the Maori tribes that had muskets realised that they were extraordinary effective at killing the members of other Maori tribes they were warring with.

After the first battle where muskets were used by one Maori tribe to decimate another, (who had fought with only primitive traditional weapons), a huge inter-tribal arms race was triggered. All of the Maori tribes wanted muskets, and the going price was one Moko-faced preserved head. The upshot is that a large number of preserved heads were exchanged for muskets and ammunition. For the British any firearm they traded was easy to replace, so before too long there were lots of Maori tribes armed to the teeth with muskets (these muskets, BTW, were, for all intents and purposes, just as lethal in ground combat as any modern rifle; they had a range of 50 to 100 yards and if you got shot, especially at relatively close range, then you were dead meat, Bro'. Full Stop.) All told the Musket Wars among Maori tribes in New Zealand claimed between 20,000 and 40.000 lives and resulted in the enslavement of 10,000 people.


Eventually the Colonial administrators in Australia got fed up with what was going on in New Zealand. One complained that the trade in human heads was the most disgusting and evil phenomenon he had ever witnessed in his life and all the others basically agreed. So the British big-wigs in Sydney put a stop to the whole business of selling firearms to the Maori in exchange for Mokomokai very swiftly indeed.


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Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:21 am

Dachshund wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:20 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:55 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:50 pm


Very interesting, Veggie; a Victorian Kiwi "taxidermist" showing off his collection of preserved Maori heads. Maybe this is how the Kiwi passion for taxidermy originated back in the 19th century?

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He's not a taxidermist and they aren't stuffed heads. The Maori had a delightful technique of removing the brain and eyes and sealing up the orifices with flax and gum, then boiling the head or steam-cooking it. They were then displayed on poles, similar to the way the English displayed heads on spikes not so long ago.

Yes, I know he's not a taxidermist. I was intrigued by that photograph and so I decided to find out the story behind it. If you're interested, here it is...

The preserved heads in the photo you posted are Maori, and they are called Mokomokai. In the 19th century they became collector items for Europeans because they had elaborate, well-crafted, traditional, full-facial tattooing on them known as Moko, which was practised in New Zealand by the Maori until about 1860.

Like you said Veggie, Mokomokai are not shrunken heads, they are preserved heads, and a kind of mummification process is used to prevent their facial skin rotting away. What happens is that when the Maori with Moko tattooing dies, first of all, his head is severed from his body, next the eyes and brain are removed, with all orifices sealed up with flax fibre and gum. The head was now boiled or steamed in an oven before being smoked over an open fire and then dried in the sun for several days. Finally it was treated with shark oil. The finished Mokomokai were then kept by their families in ornately carved boxes. The heads of enemy chiefs killed in battle were also preserved, these Mokomokai were regarded as trophies of war. Often they were set on pikes as objects of derision, and heartily insulted and condemned.

Moko facial tattooing was pretty much only performed on men, and only men of high status. Moko was expensive and the more elaborate forms of it were usually limited to chiefs and high-ranked Maori warriors. Interestingly enough one of the first Englishmen to see Moko tattoing on a Maori was Captain Cook in 1796. Moko designs are basically curvilinear and consist of intricately curved shapes and spirals. Cook wrote in his ship's Journal that he thought Moko tattooing was "elegant and drawn with great nicety." Joseph Banks, the famous botanist who was with Cook at the time was also fascinated and ended up trading a musket (an 18th century rifle) for a Mokomokai with some local Maoris.

Another Englishman who arrived in New Zealand in the first half of the 19th century and became obsessed with Mokomokai is the guy in your photo. His name was Major General Horatio Robley. He was a talented artist and was obsessed with styles of the graphic designs of the Moko on Maori Mokomokai. He loved the fact that he could take as much time as he liked to copy the Moko artwork into his sketch pads. Ultimately he ending up wanting to have some Mokomokai for himself, and said he was willing to trade one musket for one head. I expect that the preserved heads on display behind Robley in your photograph are part of his personal collection.

The practice of trading Mokomokai for muskets and ammunition with the British colonists in New Zealand actually ended up causing a lot of bloodshed and death in what were called the Musket War, which were a series of some 3000 battles between warring Maori tribes that spread right across New Zealand that took place between 1807 and 1845. What happened was this. Beginning in the early 1800s the British colonists who were in New Zealand: merchants; sailors; traders; army personnel; settlers, etc all had firearms, such as muskets. This was "par for the course." Back in those days, almost every British man in New Zealand would have had a musket and/or revolver for his self - defence and the defence of his family, in particular because he was ,after all, a pioneer, colonist in a strange new land where he might face any number of dangerous threats to his life and his loved ones.

The British in New Zealand were fascinated with Mokomokai, I think there was a morbid/outre element to their interest in them that, coupled with an appreciation of the aesthetic qualities of the the intricate Moko tattooing on the faces of the severed heads, made them highly desirable items to possess. What happened is that the Maori who were in contact with these British men in New Zealand, soon discovered that they could get themselves a musket, gunpowder and ammunition by trading Mokomokai (and other items). A good English-made musket didn't come cheap, so the Mokomokai were quite valuable items in the British market place. It didn't take long before a brisk trade in Mokomokai and muskets was established, it didn't take long either before the Maori tribes that had muskets realised that they were extraordinary effective at killing the members of other Maori tribes they were warring with.

After the first battle where muskets were used by one Maori tribe to decimate another, (who had fought with only primitive traditional weapons), a huge inter-tribal arms race was triggered. All of the Maori tribes wanted muskets, and the going price was one Moko-faced preserved head. The upshot is that a large number of preserved heads were exchanged for muskets and ammunition. For the British any firearm they traded was easy to replace, so before too long there were lots of Maori tribes armed to the teeth with muskets (these muskets, BTW, were, for all intents and purposes, just as lethal in ground combat as any modern rifle; they had a range of 50 to 100 yards and if you got shot, especially at relatively close range, then you were dead meat, Bro'. Full Stop.) All told the Musket Wars among Maori tribes in New Zealand claimed between 20,000 and 40.000 lives and resulted in the enslavement of 10,000 people.


Eventually the Colonial administrators in Australia got fed up with what was going on in New Zealand. One complained that the trade in human heads was the most disgusting and evil phenomenon he had ever witnessed in his life and all the others basically agreed. So the British big-wigs in Sydney put a stop to the whole business of selling firearms to the Maori in exchange for Mokomokai very swiftly indeed.


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A lot of PC bullshit on the internet. I don't think any of those heads died peacefully in their sleep somehow.

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Re: Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by Dachshund » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:25 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:21 am
Dachshund wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:20 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:55 pm


He's not a taxidermist and they aren't stuffed heads. The Maori had a delightful technique of removing the brain and eyes and sealing up the orifices with flax and gum, then boiling the head or steam-cooking it. They were then displayed on poles, similar to the way the English displayed heads on spikes not so long ago.

Yes, I know he's not a taxidermist. I was intrigued by that photograph and so I decided to find out the story behind it. If you're interested, here it is...

The preserved heads in the photo you posted are Maori, and they are called Mokomokai. In the 19th century they became collector items for Europeans because they had elaborate, well-crafted, traditional, full-facial tattooing on them known as Moko, which was practised in New Zealand by the Maori until about 1860.

Like you said Veggie, Mokomokai are not shrunken heads, they are preserved heads, and a kind of mummification process is used to prevent their facial skin rotting away. What happens is that when the Maori with Moko tattooing dies, first of all, his head is severed from his body, next the eyes and brain are removed, with all orifices sealed up with flax fibre and gum. The head was now boiled or steamed in an oven before being smoked over an open fire and then dried in the sun for several days. Finally it was treated with shark oil. The finished Mokomokai were then kept by their families in ornately carved boxes. The heads of enemy chiefs killed in battle were also preserved, these Mokomokai were regarded as trophies of war. Often they were set on pikes as objects of derision, and heartily insulted and condemned.

Moko facial tattooing was pretty much only performed on men, and only men of high status. Moko was expensive and the more elaborate forms of it were usually limited to chiefs and high-ranked Maori warriors. Interestingly enough one of the first Englishmen to see Moko tattoing on a Maori was Captain Cook in 1796. Moko designs are basically curvilinear and consist of intricately curved shapes and spirals. Cook wrote in his ship's Journal that he thought Moko tattooing was "elegant and drawn with great nicety." Joseph Banks, the famous botanist who was with Cook at the time was also fascinated and ended up trading a musket (an 18th century rifle) for a Mokomokai with some local Maoris.

Another Englishman who arrived in New Zealand in the first half of the 19th century and became obsessed with Mokomokai is the guy in your photo. His name was Major General Horatio Robley. He was a talented artist and was obsessed with styles of the graphic designs of the Moko on Maori Mokomokai. He loved the fact that he could take as much time as he liked to copy the Moko artwork into his sketch pads. Ultimately he ending up wanting to have some Mokomokai for himself, and said he was willing to trade one musket for one head. I expect that the preserved heads on display behind Robley in your photograph are part of his personal collection.

The practice of trading Mokomokai for muskets and ammunition with the British colonists in New Zealand actually ended up causing a lot of bloodshed and death in what were called the Musket War, which were a series of some 3000 battles between warring Maori tribes that spread right across New Zealand that took place between 1807 and 1845. What happened was this. Beginning in the early 1800s the British colonists who were in New Zealand: merchants; sailors; traders; army personnel; settlers, etc all had firearms, such as muskets. This was "par for the course." Back in those days, almost every British man in New Zealand would have had a musket and/or revolver for his self - defence and the defence of his family, in particular because he was ,after all, a pioneer, colonist in a strange new land where he might face any number of dangerous threats to his life and his loved ones.

The British in New Zealand were fascinated with Mokomokai, I think there was a morbid/outre element to their interest in them that, coupled with an appreciation of the aesthetic qualities of the the intricate Moko tattooing on the faces of the severed heads, made them highly desirable items to possess. What happened is that the Maori who were in contact with these British men in New Zealand, soon discovered that they could get themselves a musket, gunpowder and ammunition by trading Mokomokai (and other items). A good English-made musket didn't come cheap, so the Mokomokai were quite valuable items in the British market place. It didn't take long before a brisk trade in Mokomokai and muskets was established, it didn't take long either before the Maori tribes that had muskets realised that they were extraordinary effective at killing the members of other Maori tribes they were warring with.

After the first battle where muskets were used by one Maori tribe to decimate another, (who had fought with only primitive traditional weapons), a huge inter-tribal arms race was triggered. All of the Maori tribes wanted muskets, and the going price was one Moko-faced preserved head. The upshot is that a large number of preserved heads were exchanged for muskets and ammunition. For the British any firearm they traded was easy to replace, so before too long there were lots of Maori tribes armed to the teeth with muskets (these muskets, BTW, were, for all intents and purposes, just as lethal in ground combat as any modern rifle; they had a range of 50 to 100 yards and if you got shot, especially at relatively close range, then you were dead meat, Bro'. Full Stop.) All told the Musket Wars among Maori tribes in New Zealand claimed between 20,000 and 40.000 lives and resulted in the enslavement of 10,000 people.


Eventually the Colonial administrators in Australia got fed up with what was going on in New Zealand. One complained that the trade in human heads was the most disgusting and evil phenomenon he had ever witnessed in his life and all the others basically agreed. So the British big-wigs in Sydney put a stop to the whole business of selling firearms to the Maori in exchange for Mokomokai very swiftly indeed.


Regards


Dachshund (Der Uberweiner)
A lot of PC bullshit on the internet. I don't think any of those heads died peacefully in their sleep somehow.
Vegetable,


That was the subtext of my post. A lot of those Mokomaki heads would have been cut off the bodies of Moari tribesmen who were shot and killed during the "Maori Wars." So yeah, I think a hell of a lot of those heads that were collected by the British were taken off Maoris who died violent deaths. (Remember 20,000 to 40, 000 Maoris were killed in the "Maoris Wars"; each head from a dead warrior would buy one musket and the the Maori warlords were desperate to get their hands on as many muskets as they could !)

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Re: Organ Harvesting Atrocity in Fascist China

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:56 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:25 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:21 am
Dachshund wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:20 pm



Yes, I know he's not a taxidermist. I was intrigued by that photograph and so I decided to find out the story behind it. If you're interested, here it is...

The preserved heads in the photo you posted are Maori, and they are called Mokomokai. In the 19th century they became collector items for Europeans because they had elaborate, well-crafted, traditional, full-facial tattooing on them known as Moko, which was practised in New Zealand by the Maori until about 1860.

Like you said Veggie, Mokomokai are not shrunken heads, they are preserved heads, and a kind of mummification process is used to prevent their facial skin rotting away. What happens is that when the Maori with Moko tattooing dies, first of all, his head is severed from his body, next the eyes and brain are removed, with all orifices sealed up with flax fibre and gum. The head was now boiled or steamed in an oven before being smoked over an open fire and then dried in the sun for several days. Finally it was treated with shark oil. The finished Mokomokai were then kept by their families in ornately carved boxes. The heads of enemy chiefs killed in battle were also preserved, these Mokomokai were regarded as trophies of war. Often they were set on pikes as objects of derision, and heartily insulted and condemned.

Moko facial tattooing was pretty much only performed on men, and only men of high status. Moko was expensive and the more elaborate forms of it were usually limited to chiefs and high-ranked Maori warriors. Interestingly enough one of the first Englishmen to see Moko tattoing on a Maori was Captain Cook in 1796. Moko designs are basically curvilinear and consist of intricately curved shapes and spirals. Cook wrote in his ship's Journal that he thought Moko tattooing was "elegant and drawn with great nicety." Joseph Banks, the famous botanist who was with Cook at the time was also fascinated and ended up trading a musket (an 18th century rifle) for a Mokomokai with some local Maoris.

Another Englishman who arrived in New Zealand in the first half of the 19th century and became obsessed with Mokomokai is the guy in your photo. His name was Major General Horatio Robley. He was a talented artist and was obsessed with styles of the graphic designs of the Moko on Maori Mokomokai. He loved the fact that he could take as much time as he liked to copy the Moko artwork into his sketch pads. Ultimately he ending up wanting to have some Mokomokai for himself, and said he was willing to trade one musket for one head. I expect that the preserved heads on display behind Robley in your photograph are part of his personal collection.

The practice of trading Mokomokai for muskets and ammunition with the British colonists in New Zealand actually ended up causing a lot of bloodshed and death in what were called the Musket War, which were a series of some 3000 battles between warring Maori tribes that spread right across New Zealand that took place between 1807 and 1845. What happened was this. Beginning in the early 1800s the British colonists who were in New Zealand: merchants; sailors; traders; army personnel; settlers, etc all had firearms, such as muskets. This was "par for the course." Back in those days, almost every British man in New Zealand would have had a musket and/or revolver for his self - defence and the defence of his family, in particular because he was ,after all, a pioneer, colonist in a strange new land where he might face any number of dangerous threats to his life and his loved ones.

The British in New Zealand were fascinated with Mokomokai, I think there was a morbid/outre element to their interest in them that, coupled with an appreciation of the aesthetic qualities of the the intricate Moko tattooing on the faces of the severed heads, made them highly desirable items to possess. What happened is that the Maori who were in contact with these British men in New Zealand, soon discovered that they could get themselves a musket, gunpowder and ammunition by trading Mokomokai (and other items). A good English-made musket didn't come cheap, so the Mokomokai were quite valuable items in the British market place. It didn't take long before a brisk trade in Mokomokai and muskets was established, it didn't take long either before the Maori tribes that had muskets realised that they were extraordinary effective at killing the members of other Maori tribes they were warring with.

After the first battle where muskets were used by one Maori tribe to decimate another, (who had fought with only primitive traditional weapons), a huge inter-tribal arms race was triggered. All of the Maori tribes wanted muskets, and the going price was one Moko-faced preserved head. The upshot is that a large number of preserved heads were exchanged for muskets and ammunition. For the British any firearm they traded was easy to replace, so before too long there were lots of Maori tribes armed to the teeth with muskets (these muskets, BTW, were, for all intents and purposes, just as lethal in ground combat as any modern rifle; they had a range of 50 to 100 yards and if you got shot, especially at relatively close range, then you were dead meat, Bro'. Full Stop.) All told the Musket Wars among Maori tribes in New Zealand claimed between 20,000 and 40.000 lives and resulted in the enslavement of 10,000 people.


Eventually the Colonial administrators in Australia got fed up with what was going on in New Zealand. One complained that the trade in human heads was the most disgusting and evil phenomenon he had ever witnessed in his life and all the others basically agreed. So the British big-wigs in Sydney put a stop to the whole business of selling firearms to the Maori in exchange for Mokomokai very swiftly indeed.


Regards


Dachshund (Der Uberweiner)
A lot of PC bullshit on the internet. I don't think any of those heads died peacefully in their sleep somehow.
Vegetable,


(Remember 20,000 to 40, 000 Maoris were killed in the "Maoris Wars"; each head from a dead warrior would buy one musket and the the Maori warlords were desperate to get their hands on as many muskets as they could !)

D
You are talking about the intertribal wars where they were killing EACH OTHER. I'm surprised that fact is even 'allowed' to be published. Most of the bullshit around the internet is about the 'evil colonialist oppressors' :roll: No one cares about what's true any more--only what is 'Correct'.
I used to like seeing the Maori shrunken heads at the musuem as a child--until they were removed as being 'insensitive'. Fuckwits.
Now everyone is expected to believe that Maori were gentle pacificts who spent their time writing poetry and being natural conservationists. Hmm. That sounds a lot like the Moriori, the people who were exterminated by the Maori--a genocide that no one is allowed to mention, for fear of 'hurting the feelings' of Maori and enraging the Politically Correct i.e. weakening endless ownership claims by a handful of self-serving tossers who are making a hell of a lot of money out of faux treaty claims (even once claiming 'ownership' of the air, and therefore the 'airwaves'). Want to be a multi millionaire? Become a treaty lawyer.
Hmm. Genocide denial. That's like being told we can't mention the Holocaust because it might upset Germans.

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