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Logik
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Re: Apologies

Post by Logik » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:01 am

Walker wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:58 am
Specifically, you.
Which aspect of me? I am rather multifaceted from where you are looking.

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Re: Apologies

Post by Walker » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:42 am

How about this aspect?

“The process of personifying and projecting one's self-loathing onto others is incredible to watch and pity at the same time.”

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Re: Apologies

Post by Logik » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:48 am

Walker wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:42 am
How about this aspect?

“The process of personifying and projecting one's self-loathing onto others is incredible to watch and pity at the same time.”
I have no self-loathing and I don't participate in collective blame. Neither should anybody who claims to support individual rights.

I see "leftist" and "rightist" values in myself. They are Human values first and most. The bi-partisan language is not useful or helpful.

To loathe "Leftists" is to loathe myself.
To loathe "Rightists" is to loathe myself.

And you might say: "But some of those values are self-contradictory and incompatible.". Yep. They are. So what? I apply them in different contexts.

From the paper which I posted and you didn't read:

An immediate implication: politics is not scale-free. One can be "libertarian at the federal level, Republican at the state level, Democrat at the county level, socialist within the commune, and communist at the family level.

To hell with consistency. The world is too complex for that.

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Re: Apologies

Post by Walker » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:54 am

“I have no self-loathing.”

“The process of personifying and projecting one's self-loathing onto others is incredible to watch and pity at the same time.”

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Re: Apologies

Post by Logik » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:57 am

Walker wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:54 am
“I have no self-loathing.”

“The process of personifying and projecting one's self-loathing onto others is incredible to watch and pity at the same time.”
Yes. You are ignorant of the "leftie" in you and you externalize it. It's way easier to hate others than to hate yourself.

Try internalizing it instead.

Metaphorically: We are all sinners...

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Re: Apologies

Post by Walker » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:01 am

How do you know that, about self-loathing?

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Re: Apologies

Post by Logik » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:24 am

Walker wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:01 am
How do you know that, about self-loathing?
You loathe the Left.
Walker wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:04 pm
That won't stop the psychotic Left (unable to recognize reality).
Walker wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:49 pm
What, only the Left can throw out babies?
Walker wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:14 pm
I don’t really think it’s up to me, to refute my view of the insane Left.
Walker wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:21 am
Pointing to the silly Left will only increase the expulsion of bile all over your nice threads...

Part of you is the "The Left" you personify externally.

1+1 = 2.

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Re: Apologies

Post by Belinda » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:48 am

Walker wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:48 pm
Belinda wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:46 pm
I agree that it's passive aggressive. It may originate in defensiveness.
I think it's insecurity, because those who do it, do it habitually.
Can frequent reassurances cause an insecure habitual apologiser to feel more secure?

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Re: Apologies

Post by Walker » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:23 pm

Belinda wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:48 am
Can frequent reassurances cause an insecure habitual apologiser to feel more secure?
If we call security, self-security, then I can honestly say that I know my self-security, but I cannot assume that my self-security applies to another’s self-security.

Me ≠ You

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Re: Apologies

Post by Walker » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:28 pm

Logik wrote: ...
The word “self-loathing” does not appear in any of those out-of-context quotations.

Since you have no personal experience of self-loathing (or at least you say so), what is your source for your personal, word/signification association, that you are applying to other people?

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Re: Apologies

Post by Logik » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:43 pm

Walker wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:28 pm
Logik wrote: ...
The word “self-loathing” does not appear in any of those out-of-context quotations.

Since you have no personal experience of self-loathing (or at least you say so), what is your source for your personal, word/signification association, that you are applying to other people?
Which part of logical deduction is confusing you here?

If you loathe people with blue eyes, and you have blue eyes, then it follows: you loathe yourself.

You don't like the word "self-loathing"? Perhaps it triggers you? OK. I'll paraphrase.

If you <feel some emotion> towards people with blue eye and you have blue eyes, then you <feel some emotion> towards yourself.

Unless you didn't know you had blue eyes. Awkward.

Like all the white nationalists figuring out they have 30% black DNA in them. Double-awkward.

Still can't connect the dots maybe? OK. Lets try again.

If you dislike/hate/loathe Lefties and you share traits with Lefties, you dislike/hate/loathe yourself.

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Re: Apologies

Post by Walker » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:09 pm

Logik wrote:
So, in applying your lack of experience with self-loathing, to other people, it appears that you’re using your own personal significations of the term self-loathing, to apply personal associations with the term self-loathing (personal associations derived from some unknown or unnamed source), to other people.

Do you agree with the following quotation?

“So there's no point in arguing with your rigidly skewed mentality. You seem to think that your limited view of reality and everyone else is the only truth there is.”

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Re: Apologies

Post by Logik » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:29 pm

Walker wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:09 pm
Logik wrote:
So, in applying your lack of experience with self-loathing, to other people, it appears that you’re using your own personal significations of the term self-loathing, to apply personal associations with the term self-loathing (personal associations derived from some unknown or unnamed source), to other people.

Do you agree with the following quotation?

“So there's no point in arguing with your rigidly skewed mentality. You seem to think that your limited view of reality and everyone else is the only truth there is.”
I explicitly stated that the word "self-loathing" is immaterial to my argument. Did you miss that?
Logik wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:43 pm
You don't like the word "self-loathing"? Perhaps it triggers you? OK. I'll paraphrase.
Read my response. Carefully.

Then responding to my actual argument, not the strawman you came up with.
Last edited by Logik on Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Apologies

Post by Walker » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:30 pm

Ok.

So, in applying your lack of experience with self-loathing, to other people, it appears that you’re using your own personal significations of the term self-loathing, to apply personal associations with the term self-loathing (personal associations derived from some unknown or unnamed source), to other people.

Do you agree with the following quotation?

“So there's no point in arguing with your rigidly skewed mentality. You seem to think that your limited view of reality and everyone else is the only truth there is.”

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Re: Apologies

Post by Logik » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:32 pm

Walker wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:30 pm
Ok.

So, in applying your lack of experience with self-loathing, to other people, it appears that you’re using your own personal significations of the term self-loathing, to apply personal associations with the term self-loathing (personal associations derived from some unknown or unnamed source), to other people.

Do you agree with the following quotation?

“So there's no point in arguing with your rigidly skewed mentality. You seem to think that your limited view of reality and everyone else is the only truth there is.”
Strawman. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Try again.

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