Is there such a thing as rape in a marriage?

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Is there such a thing as rape in a marriage?

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Say you've married someone with a split personality. That person may have been agreeable one night may be disagreeable the next. To take this a step further, would rape be recognized as grounds for divorce? Isn't marriage based on a level of trust? What should the marriage partners expect from one another?

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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:17 am Say you've married someone with a split personality. That person may have been agreeable one night may be disagreeable the next. To take this a step further, would rape be recognized as grounds for divorce? Isn't marriage based on a level of trust? What should the marriage partners expect from one another?

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If the means of truth is whatever the woman feel's for the moment...then my breathing thoughts can be constituted as mental rape.
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If the means of truth is whatever the woman feel's for the moment...then my breathing thoughts can be constituted as mental rape.
What bitter hyperbole! It makes you sound aggrieved at women and threatened by their claims of rights, nhoj
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yes
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Of course.
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For sure, but not under the old time religion.
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I very much believe that rape can exist within a marriage. But I also very much believe that both partners went into their marriage contract with the expectation that sexual needs would be met to (at least) a satisfactory degree.
There could be so many physical and emotional reasons for either partner's libido to dwindle down that it shouldn't result in an added stress of having to perform in the bedroom (or wherever) too. It is a privilege to share such intimacies in a marriage, not a right to take whenever, despite the drive to.
I do question the level of consent in alzheimer patients too that are married and recognize their partner's touch one day but not their face the next. In the hypothetical split personality would be the same, in a way. It would be very immoral to command sex from someone unwilling. If a person is able-bodied and in good health though, their bodily needs are likely being met elsewhere if not within the marriage. That brings in a whole other can of worms with ethics/morals and what cheating is for different people within a marriage contract. Especially if the 'alienation of affection' law tort exists.
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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:17 am Is there such a thing as rape in a marriage?
Marriage or no marriage, nonconsensual sex is rape.
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:17 am Say you've married someone with a split personality. That person may have been agreeable one night may be disagreeable the next. To take this a step further, would rape be recognized as grounds for divorce?
If the spouse is disagreeable the next night, then the partner should stop trying to pursue. Now, if one spouse denies their partner sex on a consistent basis, then that partner should have a right to file for divorce. Perhaps the grounds for divorce could be under "irreconcilable differences"?
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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:17 am Say you've married someone with a split personality. There is split mind (schizophrenia) and multiple personality. The two are not the same, and "split personality" is not even a layman's term, never mind a medical diagnosis. That person may have been agreeable one night may be disagreeable the next. You don't have to be mentally unstable to do this. Most people go through waves of life expressions. To take this a step further, would rape be recognized as grounds for divorce? Rape is a criminal offence, in the USA a crime, and it is punishable by law, and most times it is punished severely. It trails only terrorism/treason, murder, and child abuse (sexual abuse) that draws more severe punishment than rape. I don't know if it is a grounds for divorce. Isn't marriage based on a level of trust? What should the marriage partners expect from one another? That's between them, none of your business, as it is not any of my business to inquire openly and expect an answer to what you expect of your very wife (or husband, partner, spouse).

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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:17 am Say you've married someone with a split personality. That person may have been agreeable one night may be disagreeable the next. To take this a step further, would rape be recognized as grounds for divorce? Isn't marriage based on a level of trust? What should the marriage partners expect from one another?

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the marriage partners should expect whatever thy agreed to, the marriage is an agreement.

but that is the fault in most marriages, the entitled expectations. truly nothing but betrayal should negate a marriage. though one isn't entitled loyalty, betrayal of the agreement negates the agreement.
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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:17 am Say you've married someone with a split personality. That person may have been agreeable one night may be disagreeable the next. To take this a step further, would rape be recognized as grounds for divorce? Isn't marriage based on a level of trust? What should the marriage partners expect from one another?

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As far as the law is concerned, yes.

If you're that paranoid about it, then don't get married, get a "waifu" and masturbate to anime porn instead.

Case closed.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: โ†‘Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:59 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:17 am Say you've married someone with a split personality. That person may have been agreeable one night may be disagreeable the next. To take this a step further, would rape be recognized as grounds for divorce? Isn't marriage based on a level of trust? What should the marriage partners expect from one another?

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If the means of truth is whatever the woman feel's for the moment...then my breathing thoughts can be constituted as mental rape.
Get a life...

My honest belief is that there are enough couples who haven't in practice had this problem that society as a whole has not disintegrated.

If you are this paranoid about it, then don't date or get married, get a "waifu" instead.
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Ghost wrote: โ†‘Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:45 am I very much believe that rape can exist within a marriage. But I also very much believe that both partners went into their marriage contract with the expectation that sexual needs would be met to (at least) a satisfactory degree.
There could be so many physical and emotional reasons for either partner's libido to dwindle down that it shouldn't result in an added stress of having to perform in the bedroom (or wherever) too. It is a privilege to share such intimacies in a marriage, not a right to take whenever, despite the drive to.
I do question the level of consent in alzheimer patients too that are married and recognize their partner's touch one day but not their face the next. In the hypothetical split personality would be the same, in a way. It would be very immoral to command sex from someone unwilling. If a person is able-bodied and in good health though, their bodily needs are likely being met elsewhere if not within the marriage. That brings in a whole other can of worms with ethics/morals and what cheating is for different people within a marriage contract. Especially if the 'alienation of affection' law tort exists.
Right, it might be grounds for divorce.

As far as evolutionary psychology goes, only men at the bottom of the hierarchy have to resort to rape; men (or women) near the "top" have plenty of voluntary sexual offers or advances. (Does anyone think that... err Tom Brady or, hell even Justin Bieber has to resort to rape, if anything he probably has to beat his female admirers off of him with a stick).

So any freak admitting that they'd ever need to resort to "marital rape" to begin with is already admitting their inferiority in evolution's hierarchy, so who gives a flying fuck honestly/

I've had 15-20 partners and never had to resort to that shit, and I'm not in the "top 1% of men", at least that I'm aware of, so I'm sorry you were born with inferior genetics, blame evolution, not "women" for not wanting to waste their time on some evolutionarily impotent and ineffectual refuse.
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