Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:18 pm
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Ethnicity can be defined as "belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition". Since I'm juxtaposing race against culture (ethnicity), it wouldn't make sense to call race ethnicity.
I applaud your post, thedoc, and am envious of the time you have to track down a relevant youtube clip.thedoc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:25 pmThat is certainly one factor. Sorry for this, but sometimes a song says it better than I can.commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:10 pm The cause of not throwing chips in with the human race is fear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnY-Ft7F9eo
Once you can agree on the definitions, the rest is made easier.Seleucus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:31 amEthnicity can be defined as "belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition". Since I'm juxtaposing race against culture (ethnicity), it wouldn't make sense to call race ethnicity.
I do appreciate that the Greeks used the word race to mean those who spoke Greek and had been through a Greek education. I understand the ancient Aryans understood race to include those who performed the same Avestan religious rights. That is how they defined "our people".
The jury has to be still out on this. Myself, I can imagine that culture is sufficient to explain the differences between races. But we have to grant that no scientific control-group research has been done on the psychology of whole races. It seems pretty clear there are temperamental differences between dog breeds. Are Indians filthy because they have not been taught to feel disgust at the sight of rot and rubbish, or is the psychological propensity, or lack there of, genetically controlled? Are Black Americans performing so poorly in schools because of something like a culture of poverty, or because of genetic differences? Since large scale experiments on whole societies is impossible, and race and culture tend to be almost always co-joined, there isn't likely to be an answer coming anytime soon.
For me, and most people today, ethnicity means culture, and race is material, haplogroups are probably the most objective way we can talk about race these days.commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:36 amOnce you can agree on the definitions, the rest is made easier.Seleucus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:31 amEthnicity can be defined as "belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition". Since I'm juxtaposing race against culture (ethnicity), it wouldn't make sense to call race ethnicity.
I do appreciate that the Greeks used the word race to mean those who spoke Greek and had been through a Greek education. I understand the ancient Aryans understood race to include those who performed the same Avestan religious rights. That is how they defined "our people".
I appreciate being among my people. I appreciate being among people I can understand, who share common values and dreams. The land, the culture and the people are a symbiotic entity. Everyone refugee, everyone in exile, everyone stationed with the military or working abroad understands this at a very bodily and emotional level.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:31 pmSo he doesn't like people who are cosmetically different from him.
Race is closer to the word "sub-species" since even the most distant races can all breed together.thedoc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:14 pm It would probably upset some people to be told that all human beings are one race even if they are different ethnicity. (Race and species mean just about the same thing.) It would probably upset them even more if you told them that all humans evolved from the same common ancestor as the other apes and the monkeys.
Okay. But, say, in Rakhine state, which side would that be? It's been an endless back and forth race war for more than 500 years.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:08 pmI think by an' large it's none of my business but if I was to act it would be on the side that wasn't slaughtering and raping women and children as my starter.Seleucus wrote:What do you think? ...
What do you mean by "mine"? Race or culture? Do you love your biological children who join a cult more, or your adopted child who is loyal to all that you have taught him?I accept people on their behavior towards me and mine regardless of race or creed.
Best question yet probably.What necessary links are there between a race, a language and a religion?
This isn't a joke but the reality since we know that all non-Africans are bred with Neanderthals and Orientals bred with Denisovans. Some peoples like the pygmies are so different from the rest of humans it's astounding.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:13 pmMaybe not too late; apes and monkeys are still around! He can put them in charge instead; that way humans can be more confident about their own future and that of the planet as a whole.
I actually kind of like Veg.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:18 pm
I take the Zen view myself. An interesting point for this discussion since of course Buddhism is an Indo-European spirituality which today is largely practiced by Orientals. Bodhidharma himself was a blue eyed White man. In Zen, anger is totally fine, anger and hatred are useful emotions, it is lingering on and looping our anger that is the vice, or being angry when we need to be calculating and deliberate, that's a problem.commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:33 amI would have it that one must be taught to fear and to hate, or one must be taught not to. The former supports the Nurture argument; the latter, the Nature argument.