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Race versus culture
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:16 pm
by Seleucus
Do you stand with the Rohingya because they are an Indo-European people resisting an onslaught of Orientals? Or do you reject them because they have fallen to the Semitic cult, Islam? Do you stand with the Uyghurs because they are arguably of Caucasian race, a remnant of the ancient Tocharians, or turn against them because they too fell in with the cult of Islam? Are you warmer towards Filipinos because they are Christians despite that they are racially Austronesian? Should we support the Kurds because they are Aryan people? Should we extend special aid to the Kalasha of Kafiristan, possibly the descendants of the Greek and Macedonian soldiers of Alexander? Iraq was a Roman province for a thousand years, oughtn't it to be rescued from the Arabs? On the other hand, the Semitic people are the other branch of the Caucasian family and ought to therefore be embraced despite having fallen under the cult of Islam. What do you think? Would you accept someone who is the same race but of an alien culture over someone who is another race but shares your language and religious beliefs? The truth is of course that language, race, and religion tend to align, but in cases where they don't?
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:57 pm
by Londoner
I feel sorry for them because they are being treated badly.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:28 am
by Seleucus
Londoner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:57 pm
I feel sorry for them because they are being treated badly.
The politically correct narrative might not hold up that well in every case? Who's being treated worse between the Kurds and their Shia enemies? Who is suffering more between the Burmese people and the Rohingya? Neither clearly has the better hand in victimology poker.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:16 am
by Londoner
It is possible to feel sorry for anyone who is treated badly.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:48 pm
by Seleucus
Londoner wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:16 am
It is possible to feel sorry for anyone who is treated badly.
Sure, isn't there a German word for that that translates as world-pain, something like that? The interesting question to me though is about this race and culture issue. Sometimes we find ourselves in a situation where we have to choose. Life and death choice, not just abstract musing. Who are you gonna throw your chips in with when there's an incongruity? Your race, or your culture?
Good video on this issue here, YouTube has attempted to neutralize it so you have to click yes that you want to view it after following the link,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmLVjSv ... 1508167247
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:06 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Race is meaningless.
There is only culture.
You can bring up baby into any culture seamlessly. The fact that s/he might look a little different might affect the outcome negatively - but only if people in the culture believe that race is a valid category. And so we see competent, intelligent and successful black people in the USA whose only problem is racist bigots trying to undermine them, when such bigots are their inferiors in many respects.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:25 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
Whether race is 'meaningless' or not (especially when 'meaningless' is meaningless) culture certainly isn't. National identity isn't. Get enough people of a similar mind-set and appearance and the effect to outsiders is of virtually a single entity, like a termite hill--hence the perception of the US as a big, fat moron. Of course National mind-set is quite easy to sway and alter. Politicians are well aware of this and how easily humans tend to be to manipulate--it's how they get them to fight their dirty little wars.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:01 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:16 pm
Do you stand with the Rohingya because they are an Indo-European people resisting an onslaught of Orientals? Or do you reject them because they have fallen to the Semitic cult, Islam? Do you stand with the Uyghurs because they are arguably of Caucasian race, a remnant of the ancient Tocharians, or turn against them because they too fell in with the cult of Islam? Are you warmer towards Filipinos because they are Christians despite that they are racially Austronesian? Should we support the Kurds because they are Aryan people? Should we extend special aid to the Kalasha of Kafiristan, possibly the descendants of the Greek and Macedonian soldiers of Alexander? Iraq was a Roman province for a thousand years, oughtn't it to be rescued from the Arabs? On the other hand, the Semitic people are the other branch of the Caucasian family and ought to therefore be embraced despite having fallen under the cult of Islam. What do you think? Would you accept someone who is the same race but of an alien culture over someone who is another race but shares your language and religious beliefs? The truth is of course that language, race, and religion tend to align, but in cases where they don't?
You need to learn to think 'outside the box'. You are a relic of the past. Humankind has advanced a bit scientifically since then.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:01 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:25 pm
Whether race is 'meaningless' or not (especially when 'meaningless' is meaningless) culture certainly isn't. National identity isn't. Get enough people of a similar mind-set and appearance and the effect to outsiders is of virtually a single entity, like a termite hill. Thus the perception of the US as a big, fat moron. Of course National mind-set is quite easy to alter--politicians are well aware of this and how easily humans tend to be to manipulate--it's how they get them to fight their dirty little wars.
True. And it is this same moronic tendency that makes the EDL think that England is for "white" people.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:21 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
Hobbes' Choice wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:01 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:25 pm
Whether race is 'meaningless' or not (especially when 'meaningless' is meaningless) culture certainly isn't. National identity isn't. Get enough people of a similar mind-set and appearance and the effect to outsiders is of virtually a single entity, like a termite hill. Thus the perception of the US as a big, fat moron. Of course National mind-set is quite easy to alter--politicians are well aware of this and how easily humans tend to be to manipulate--it's how they get them to fight their dirty little wars.
True. And it is this same moronic tendency that makes the EDL think that England is for "white" people.
Which is why England no longer has a distinct cultural identity when viewed from the outside. A new one will eventually evolve over time, but it will be nothing like the old one. Some people find that sad, and the white-supremacist types don't have the intelligence to get past their archaic and rigid political agenda.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:29 pm
by Londoner
Seleucus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:48 pm
[Who are you gonna throw your chips in with when there's an incongruity? Your race, or your culture?
An incongruity? If you mean when people are being persecuted, I will support the victims.
My culture believes everyone is equally worthy of respect.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:09 pm
by davidm
Seleucus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:48 pm
Who are you gonna throw your chips in with when there's an incongruity? Your race, or your culture?
How about throwing your chips in with the human race?
People like you are destroying the world, of course, and you won't stop until you succeed. Which you will.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:21 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
davidm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:09 pm
Seleucus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:48 pm
Who are you gonna throw your chips in with when there's an incongruity? Your race, or your culture?
How about throwing your chips in with the human race?
People like you are destroying the world, of course, and you won't stop until you succeed. Which you will.
People like him are a tiny fringe minority. It's a much bigger group (and I think he belongs to that one too) that is the big worry.
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:45 am
by davidm
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:16 pm
Do you stand with the Rohingya because they are an Indo-European people resisting an onslaught of Orientals?
No, I stand with them because they are being unjustly oppressed, tormented and killed. What the hell does an
onslaught of Orientals even mean? What does it matter the ethnicity, race, or any other factor of their oppressors? What is actually
wrong with your defective, infantile mind? Did you vote for Trump?
Or do you reject them because they have fallen to the Semitic cult, Islam?
Huh? Wuh? Why would I do
that?
What is
wrong with you? Have you ever met people unlike you? Have you ever even read a book?
Re: Race versus culture
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:43 am
by Arising_uk
Hobbes' Choice wrote:True. And it is this same moronic tendency that makes the EDL think that England is for "white" people.
Except the EDL don't think that.