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Good news the Tory party in the Uk have announced a massive drop on child poverty. Ata stroke the Tories have achieved what no party in history has. If you don't like the figures- redefine the definition.
Child poverty has massive implications for the future.
Each child brought up poor will not grow to their best potential. Poverty has been linked to malnourishment, violence and crime. For each generation the problem get's worse as parenting quality declines with potential.

SInce the birth of the Neoliberal project inequality and poverty have risen.

Take a look at the first five minutes of this video where Hitchens discusses the doubling in child poverty from 1966-1996.

In the last 20 years this trend has not reversed as it should have done. With the wealth of nations increasing poverty should have been eradicated, yet we have seen a further descent into deprivation. We are now reaping the blighted harvest of the years from the making of that video to the present.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3tSBDOIDU
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The poverty line has been shifted downward by pretty much every conservative government, hasn't it?
And poverty has been explained:
It's because the parents are lazy and immoral.
(It certainly has nothing to do with the exporting of jobs and importing of migrant workers, or the defunding of social service programs or the punitive regulations on welfare or the unavailability of quality health care and education or the destruction of trade unions or the right-wing's erosion of reproductive freedom. Besides, they're not that poor: they have television.)
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Skip wrote:The poverty line has been shifted downward by pretty much every conservative government, hasn't it?
And poverty has been explained:
It's because the parents are lazy and immoral.
(It certainly has nothing to do with the exporting of jobs and importing of migrant workers, or the defunding of social service programs or the punitive regulations on welfare or the unavailability of quality health care and education or the destruction of trade unions or the right-wing's erosion of reproductive freedom. Besides, they're not that poor: they have television.)
Not only are they lazy and immoral but they are also increasingly stupid. With each generation parenting gets worse and kids don't grow up right; prison populations grow. Cheaper food is of increasingly low nutritional value, and children do not develop properly.

Thanks for the response - I was beginning the think no one was bothered.
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I've been bothered about this practically all my life. But then, I've been everything from a bleeding heart liberal to a tree-hugger to an enemy of progress. Really, just an old-fashioned socialist. I believe the propose and function of government is to take care of the country and its citizens' needs. But then, I'm a dinosaur... like Bernie Sanders.
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Skip wrote:I've been bothered about this practically all my life. But then, I've been everything from a bleeding heart liberal to a tree-hugger to an enemy of progress. Really, just an old-fashioned socialist. I believe the propose and function of government is to take care of the country and its citizens' needs. But then, I'm a dinosaur... like Bernie Sanders.
Its time for us to rule the earth again.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Skip wrote:I've been bothered about this practically all my life. But then, I've been everything from a bleeding heart liberal to a tree-hugger to an enemy of progress. Really, just an old-fashioned socialist. I believe the propose and function of government is to take care of the country and its citizens' needs. But then, I'm a dinosaur... like Bernie Sanders.
Its time for us to rule the earth again.
Unfortunately the world is becoming increasingly right-wing, thanks to the PC mob hijacking the 'left' and giving it a bad name.
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Who is the PC mob and how are they responsible for the right shift?
I thought it had to do with destabilizing regions, displacement of ex-colonial populations, the propping up of repressive regimes, religious zealotry, economic disparity, fear-and-loathing culture... and oil.
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Skip wrote:Who is the PC mob and how are they responsible for the right shift?
I thought it had to do with destabilizing regions, displacement of ex-colonial populations, the propping up of repressive regimes, religious zealotry, economic disparity, fear-and-loathing culture... and oil.
Ever noticed how yanks call the PC do-gooding crowd 'lefty libtards'? Actually they aren't liberal at all. They hate free speech. Ask the villagers in Sumte how they feel about being told they have to be 'tolerant' to 1000 angry, displaced muslims.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ever noticed how yanks call the PC do-gooding crowd 'lefty libtards'?
Can't say I have. Some yanks are glib with the name-calling, while some other yanks are quite literate and civilized.
Actually they aren't liberal at all. They hate free speech.
As you haven't specified who "they" are, I can't comment.
Ask the villagers in Sumte how they feel about being told they have to be 'tolerant' to 1000 angry, displaced muslims.
And, should I have the opportunity to do this, will it result in edification?
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Skip wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ever noticed how yanks call the PC do-gooding crowd 'lefty libtards'?
Can't say I have. Some yanks are glib with the name-calling, while some other yanks are quite literate and civilized.
Actually they aren't liberal at all. They hate free speech.
As you haven't specified who "they" are, I can't comment.
Ask the villagers in Sumte how they feel about being told they have to be 'tolerant' to 1000 angry, displaced muslims.
And, should I have the opportunity to do this, will it result in edification?
By playing dumb you speak volumes. You don't know what 'politically correct' means?
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I know what "politically correct" means. In fact, I know what it means to three different schools of thought and/or political bent. What I do not know is whom you mean by the "PC mob". Until a decade or so ago, we had a political party called the Progressive Conservatives, or PC. They were not a mob, but were robbed of their name by the regressive conservatives, who may be considered a mob.

If I speak volumes by not knowing what the hell you're on about, they're in a language unknown to me.
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Skip wrote:I know what "politically correct" means. In fact, I know what it means to three different schools of thought and/or political bent. What I do not know is whom you mean by the "PC mob". Until a decade or so ago, we had a political party called the Progressive Conservatives, or PC. They were not a mob, but were robbed of their name by the regressive conservatives, who may be considered a mob.

If I speak volumes by not knowing what the hell you're on about, they're in a language unknown to me.
It's mob rule. People are scared to say what they really think, because it doesn't happen to be 'politically correct'. It has nothing to do with being 'left-wing', although the ignorant label it as such. 'Politically correct do-gooder: an insincere person who is so desperate to appear virtuous and politically correct that they end up doing more harm than good'. Political correctness is why those poor sods in Sumte have to suck it up when they are swamped with 1000 asylum-seekers.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:. People are scared to say what they really think, because it doesn't happen to be 'politically correct'.
Bullshit. Nobody in a civilised country is in the least bit scared to express their views on any subject whatsoever, and many routinely do so regardless of any distress which such views might cause to others. However this is not universally so because some people have better manners than others and are thus more respectful of the sensitivities of their fellow man. Some people might applaud Donald Trump for "telling it like it is" while others just see him as an ill-mannered boor indulging himself in gratuitous and ignorant vulgarity. However he is the poster child for the non-PC and you're fucking welcome to him.
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Obvious Leo wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:. People are scared to say what they really think, because it doesn't happen to be 'politically correct'.
Bullshit. Nobody in a civilised country is in the least bit scared to express their views on any subject whatsoever, and many routinely do so regardless of any distress which such views might cause to others. However this is not universally so because some people have better manners than others and are thus more respectful of the sensitivities of their fellow man. Some people might applaud Donald Trump for "telling it like it is" while others just see him as an ill-mannered boor indulging himself in gratuitous and ignorant vulgarity. However he is the poster child for the non-PC and you're fucking welcome to him.
I don't know which planet you've been living on. I've noticed you don't mind being rude on here, where it's 'safe'. I wouldn't know whether Trump 'tells it like it is' or not. He's certainly not 'mine'. Political correctness is when certain groups of people are deemed too sensitive to cope with being 'offended'. Get the fuck over it. We all get 'offended' about all kinds of things. And 'politically correct' has a far more subtle meaning than just 'good manners'. There's nothing wrong with good manners, but there is something wrong with being too scared to say anything out of a fear of offended a protected group.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: but there is something wrong with being too scared to say anything out of a fear of offended a protected group.
I agree that this would be wrong but I know of no instance where this is the case. Perhaps you could see fit to offer an example.
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