Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

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Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:54 am

My answer is yes and no. In general no as they're being cared for as opposed to being out in the wild. But yes they do if they're being mistreated in many different ways.

I did a thread before on the safest animal to eat. I now want to focus on whether animals are suffering greatly under human supervision. Also would you regard animals being separated from their parents as being cruel and a form of suffering?

Here's an article with details:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/s ... l-question

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Dalek Prime » Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:20 am

There are a number of forms of antinatalism. One is environmental antinatalism, which believes humans should go extinct as one species, to end much of the suffering of all other species we impact. A second form is Efilism, coined by Gary Mosher, that believes all species should go extinct, to end all suffering.

I'm neither of these really, and only concern myself with the philanthropic aspects of antinatalism.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:07 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:There are a number of forms of antinatalism. One is environmental antinatalism, which believes humans should go extinct as one species, to end much of the suffering of all other species we impact. A second form is Efilism, coined by Gary Mosher, that believes all species should go extinct, to end all suffering.

I'm neither of these really, and only concern myself with the philanthropic aspects of antinatalism.
Let me add on for those who support such extreme positions that you'd be killing off the plants.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Dalek Prime » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:46 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:There are a number of forms of antinatalism. One is environmental antinatalism, which believes humans should go extinct as one species, to end much of the suffering of all other species we impact. A second form is Efilism, coined by Gary Mosher, that believes all species should go extinct, to end all suffering.

I'm neither of these really, and only concern myself with the philanthropic aspects of antinatalism.
Let me add on for those who support such extreme positions that you'd be killing off the plants.

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Again, not that I'm an efilist, but no one would be killing anything. The plants that could survive without animal life would. The rest would go through natural attrition. And again, does this concern you? How?

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:26 pm

Don't worry Dalek. I'm sure the plants care as much about you as you do about them.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:30 pm

Do farm animals suffer?

Not as much as contributors have to suffer when they wade through the shit that is your posting history.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:35 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Do farm animals suffer?

Not as much as contributors have to suffer when they wade through the shit that is your posting history.
Well asshole. I see you couldn't hold it in today. How much of YOUR SHIT do we have to put up with today, retard? Grow up.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Dalek Prime » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:04 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Don't worry Dalek. I'm sure the plants care as much about you as you do about them.

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We're mostly just acquaintances, but I'm sure some roughage has passed through my bowels.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:36 am

Dalek Prime wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:Don't worry Dalek. I'm sure the plants care as much about you as you do about them.

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We're mostly just acquaintances, but I'm sure some roughage has passed through my bowels.
At least with you, it's coming out of the right end. With Hobbled, it's coming out of his mouth.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by thedoc » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:47 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: At least with you, it's coming out of the right end. With Hobbled, it's coming out of his mouth.
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You do know that there is an ignore function on this site, that sometimes saves a lot of suffering. You just need to remember to log on each time.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:29 am

thedoc wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote: At least with you, it's coming out of the right end. With Hobbled, it's coming out of his mouth.
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You do know that there is an ignore function on this site, that sometimes saves a lot of suffering. You just need to remember to log on each time.
Others don't use it so why should I bother?

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by thedoc » Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:23 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
thedoc wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote: At least with you, it's coming out of the right end. With Hobbled, it's coming out of his mouth.
PhilX
You do know that there is an ignore function on this site, that sometimes saves a lot of suffering. You just need to remember to log on each time.
Others don't use it so why should I bother?

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Do you speak for everyone? If you don't like the program, quit bitchin' and change the channel.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:29 am

thedoc wrote:
Do you speak for everyone? If you don't like the program, quit bitchin' and change the channel.
Do the others listen to you?

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by thedoc » Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:01 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
thedoc wrote:
Do you speak for everyone? If you don't like the program, quit bitchin' and change the channel.
Do the others listen to you?

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Why would they, most don't like what I say.

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Re: Do farm animals and domesticated animals suffer greatly?

Post by Greta » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:39 am

Humans who are suffering greatly can also reproduce, and do so all the time. There is no doubt that animals in captivity suffer greatly.

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