Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by HexHammer » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:16 am

I think in the first Iraq war in 1991 it was estimated that roughly 80% of all allied casualties was due to friendly fire, 1 even died in a car accident in a US military camp. Then there was a horrific accident by a military Apatche pilot unaware of drifting in the wind, he would spot this tank and shoot it, unfortunaly it was a US tank.

If you go into the military, you will find untold horrors if you are send on active duty, many veterans returns as mental train wrecks suffering heavily from PTSD.

There's a famous experiment explaining why normal law abiding citizen once in war, they would commit unspeakable warattrocities, and you will most likely also fall victim to this psychological phenomenon.

Be ware!

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by John K » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:30 am

HexHammer wrote:I think in the first Iraq war in 1991 it was estimated that roughly 80% of all allied casualties was due to friendly fire...
Source?

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by HexHammer » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:21 am

John K wrote:
HexHammer wrote:I think in the first Iraq war in 1991 it was estimated that roughly 80% of all allied casualties was due to friendly fire...
Source?
Danish newspaper somewhere in late 90'ies, goverment TV, Discovery Channel, etc mid to late 90'ies, it should be very common knowledge!

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by John K » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:10 pm

HexHammer wrote:
John K wrote:
HexHammer wrote:I think in the first Iraq war in 1991 it was estimated that roughly 80% of all allied casualties was due to friendly fire...
Source?
Danish newspaper somewhere in late 90'ies, goverment TV, Discovery Channel, etc mid to late 90'ies, it should be very common knowledge!
Please give me an example.

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by HexHammer » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:50 pm

John K wrote:Please give me an example.
Of what?

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by John K » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:12 pm

HexHammer wrote:
John K wrote:Please give me an example.
Of what?
Of Allied friendly-fire casualties of 80% during the Gulf War.

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by HexHammer » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:17 pm

John K wrote:
HexHammer wrote:
John K wrote:Please give me an example.
Of what?
Of Allied friendly-fire casualties of 80% during the Gulf War.
You want me to dig up 15-20 years old info? Are you trying to be amuseing?

Go find it youself!

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by John K » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:59 pm

HexHammer wrote: Go find it youself!
I did. Your information is incorrect.
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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by phyllo » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:20 pm

Coalition : 190 killed by enemy action, 44 killed by friendly fire, 248 killed by in-theater accidents
Total: 482 Killed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

If you count accidents as friendly fire then 60% were killed by friendly fire.
If you count accidents as a standard aspect of warfare then only 9% were killed by friendly fire.

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by thedoc » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:40 pm

Should we brace ourselves for the moving goalposts?

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by HexHammer » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:25 am

John K wrote:
HexHammer wrote: Go find it youself!
I did. Your information is incorrect.
Says who?

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by John K » Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:48 pm

HexHammer wrote:
John K wrote:
HexHammer wrote: Go find it youself!
I did. Your information is incorrect.
Says who?
Says me.

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by HexHammer » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:23 am

John K wrote:
HexHammer wrote:Says who?
Says me.
Can you bring a bit more solid argumentation instead of this preposterous silly argumentation?

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by Tusok » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:12 am

HexHammer, your confrontation is unnecessary. Throwing about arbitrary statistics in the hopes that they legitimize your argument is only good enough for general public consumption or politics. I hope that this forum is above such simple and generally insufficient methods.

To Ned, your original question is inherently flawed. I (friendly) dare you to answer a simple question. Can you name a single profession that is free from ethical challenges? I'll make it easy and let you define what you mean by "ethics" and "challenge."

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Re: Is volunteering for the military potentially unethical?

Post by HexHammer » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:24 am

Tusok wrote:HexHammer, your confrontation is unnecessary. Throwing about arbitrary statistics in the hopes that they legitimize your argument is only good enough for general public consumption or politics. I hope that this forum is above such simple and generally insufficient methods.
I presented something, you present nothing.

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