When Is Torture Morally Permissible?

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Lacewing wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:29 pm
promethean75 wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:35 am none of this is torture if it's handled properly.
I agree. It can be done fairly and reasonably. The abuser knows what the punishment will be -- if they abuse anyway, they've made a choice. The victim gets to see some immediate justice and correction. Think of the reduction in the prison population and expense. Think of the countless children and adults who would not be abused and potentially traumatized if such a system nullified ongoing threats. Until people can evolve to be more in control of themselves, the system should protect them (and others) from themselves.

We have laws/measures that protect people from all kinds of things (some of them ridiculous)... yet sexual child abuse and rape seem to still be treated and swept aside as simply an ugly and unavoidable part of life... too bad for the victims. FUCK NO... RESOLVE IT like it should be resolved! Cultures of men preying on children and women is absolutely disgusting and primitive. It is completely unacceptable... and abusers should be modified since they can't control themselves. Then I bet humankind will evolve real fast! 8)
And what exactly is needed to stop 'you', "lacewing", from abusing children and "others"? Or are 'you' just another one of those who is in complete denial here?

Also, if you believe that castration will prevent or stop sexual abuse or rape from happening again, then you will be very sadly mistaken.
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Maybe as a form of self-defense or in some extreme situation (E.g., the Milgram Studies)? Maybe somebody tortures you, and in a less than sober-minded state of rage, you return the favour. Maybe thinking about it (e.g., as "revenge" or "self-defense" - even unjustly) without ever acting on the impulse is okay as well...
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"So, how EXACTLY are testicles used to abuse others?"

https://youtu.be/xPlqLHcphyw
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Age wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:58 am
Lacewing wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:29 pm
promethean75 wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:35 am none of this is torture if it's handled properly.
I agree. It can be done fairly and reasonably. The abuser knows what the punishment will be -- if they abuse anyway, they've made a choice. The victim gets to see some immediate justice and correction. Think of the reduction in the prison population and expense. Think of the countless children and adults who would not be abused and potentially traumatized if such a system nullified ongoing threats. Until people can evolve to be more in control of themselves, the system should protect them (and others) from themselves.

We have laws/measures that protect people from all kinds of things (some of them ridiculous)... yet sexual child abuse and rape seem to still be treated and swept aside as simply an ugly and unavoidable part of life... too bad for the victims. FUCK NO... RESOLVE IT like it should be resolved! Cultures of men preying on children and women is absolutely disgusting and primitive. It is completely unacceptable... and abusers should be modified since they can't control themselves. Then I bet humankind will evolve real fast! 8)
And what exactly is needed to stop 'you', "lacewing", from abusing children and "others"? Or are 'you' just another one of those who is in complete denial here?

Also, if you believe that castration will prevent or stop sexual abuse or rape from happening again, then you will be very sadly mistaken.
Well said. (apart from the LW thing - just substitute for someone that actually might be an abuser)

Most people that commit heinous acts upon others - killing and raping children etc..were from terrible broken "homes"

Pretty much every fucked up person, is a result of fucked up parents. It's not an excuse, but certainly - torturing these poor saps for their crimes is reducing us to every parent and grandparent that caused these people to be so disgusting all the way down the line.

..and yeah, these types arn't going to hesitate doing what they do just because they may eventually cop torture themselves (as if that's "JUSTICE")

Ridiculous.

The wrath of God is a bit of a **** tho, I hope you all have been good - a tarnished soul is one thing, but woh, there are certain lines when crossed - fucked if i want to face the next test, some fates are worse than death, and the problem of gnosis is, u know if you kill yourself, you might get reincarnated again, wiped memory clean, ready to fuck up all over again and face hell all over again.
No thanks.

ps. I havent been reading this thread, only this page, so I may have the gist of the conversation skewed some!
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:50 pm
Age wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:58 am
Lacewing wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:29 pm
I agree. It can be done fairly and reasonably. The abuser knows what the punishment will be -- if they abuse anyway, they've made a choice. The victim gets to see some immediate justice and correction. Think of the reduction in the prison population and expense. Think of the countless children and adults who would not be abused and potentially traumatized if such a system nullified ongoing threats. Until people can evolve to be more in control of themselves, the system should protect them (and others) from themselves.

We have laws/measures that protect people from all kinds of things (some of them ridiculous)... yet sexual child abuse and rape seem to still be treated and swept aside as simply an ugly and unavoidable part of life... too bad for the victims. FUCK NO... RESOLVE IT like it should be resolved! Cultures of men preying on children and women is absolutely disgusting and primitive. It is completely unacceptable... and abusers should be modified since they can't control themselves. Then I bet humankind will evolve real fast! 8)
And what exactly is needed to stop 'you', "lacewing", from abusing children and "others"? Or are 'you' just another one of those who is in complete denial here?

Also, if you believe that castration will prevent or stop sexual abuse or rape from happening again, then you will be very sadly mistaken.
Well said. (apart from the LW thing - just substitute for someone that actually might be an abuser)
EVERY adult human being is a child abuser.
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:50 pm Most people that commit heinous acts upon others - killing and raping children etc..were from terrible broken "homes"
What, exactly, do you mean by, "broken homes"?
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:50 pm Pretty much every fucked up person, is a result of fucked up parents.
Could you name an adult human being who is not a so-called "fucked up person"?

If yes, then who exactly?

EVERY adult human being, hitherto when this was being written, was abused as a child, and this is WHY EVERY adult human being, is currently abusing children.

Just so it is PERFECTLY CLEAR, there is NEVER ANY 'excuse' for doing Wrong, but there are ALWAYS reasons WHY. And, the fundamental reason WHY ALL of 'you', adult human beings, NEVER minimizes, excuses, NOR justifies ANY of your abusive behaviors but explains WHY, which WILL then help in guiding 'you' to ALL helping EACH OTHER to ALL STOP abusing children. 'Prevention is better than the cure'. Finding the reasons WHY is the ONLY WAY prevention can and will work. And, PREVENTION, itself, is ACTUALLY 'THE CURE'.
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:50 pm It's not an excuse, but certainly - torturing these poor saps for their crimes is reducing us to every parent and grandparent that caused these people to be so disgusting all the way down the line.
Punishing the "abuser" is just punishing the "abused", even further.
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:50 pm ..and yeah, these types arn't going to hesitate doing what they do just because they may eventually cop torture themselves (as if that's "JUSTICE")

Ridiculous.
VERY True.
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:50 pm The wrath of God is a bit of a **** tho, I hope you all have been good - a tarnished soul is one thing, but woh, there are certain lines when crossed - fucked if i want to face the next test, some fates are worse than death, and the problem of gnosis is, u know if you kill yourself, you might get reincarnated again, wiped memory clean, ready to fuck up all over again and face hell all over again.
No thanks.

ps. I havent been reading this thread, only this page, so I may have the gist of the conversation skewed some!
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fiveredapples wrote:When Is Torture Morally Permissible?
Apparently, according to Age, whenever he posts a response to anyone.
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:09 am
fiveredapples wrote:When Is Torture Morally Permissible?
Apparently, according to Age, whenever he posts a response to anyone.
You can NOT find even ONE fault NOR flaw in my writings, so you resort to this sort of CLAIM of YOURS here.
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Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:19 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:09 am
fiveredapples wrote:When Is Torture Morally Permissible?
Apparently, according to Age, whenever he posts a response to anyone.
You can NOT find even ONE fault NOR flaw in my writings, so you resort to this sort of CLAIM of YOURS here.
OUCH!!

Not only are you painful to read for my eyeballs, but you torture us all mentally with your incomprehensible and extremely pedantic posts.
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:54 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:19 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:09 am

Apparently, according to Age, whenever he posts a response to anyone.
You can NOT find even ONE fault NOR flaw in my writings, so you resort to this sort of CLAIM of YOURS here.
OUCH!!

Not only are you painful to read for my eyeballs, but you torture us all mentally with your incomprehensible and extremely pedantic posts.
How could what I said be, supposedly, 'incomprehensible'?

I just said you could NOT find ONE fault NOR flaw in what I wrote.

So, then because of this you resort to write and CLAIM what you have done and do. Like, AGAIN, what you just did here now.

And, it is because I am PEDANTIC you can NOT find FAULT NOR FLAW in what I write.
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Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:59 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:54 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:19 pm

You can NOT find even ONE fault NOR flaw in my writings, so you resort to this sort of CLAIM of YOURS here.
OUCH!!

Not only are you painful to read for my eyeballs, but you torture us all mentally with your incomprehensible and extremely pedantic posts.
How could what I said be, supposedly, 'incomprehensible'?

I just said you could NOT find ONE fault NOR flaw in what I wrote.

So, then because of this you resort to write and CLAIM what you have done and do. Like, AGAIN, what you just did here now.

And, it is because I am PEDANTIC you can NOT find FAULT NOR FLAW in what I write.
Stop TORTURING me like this - I cannot follow what you are saying, one moment it's normal words, then they get BIG, looks like this:-

BIG = STUPID TALK
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:16 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:59 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:54 pm

OUCH!!

Not only are you painful to read for my eyeballs, but you torture us all mentally with your incomprehensible and extremely pedantic posts.
How could what I said be, supposedly, 'incomprehensible'?

I just said you could NOT find ONE fault NOR flaw in what I wrote.

So, then because of this you resort to write and CLAIM what you have done and do. Like, AGAIN, what you just did here now.

And, it is because I am PEDANTIC you can NOT find FAULT NOR FLAW in what I write.
Stop TORTURING me like this - I cannot follow what you are saying, one moment it's normal words, then they get BIG, looks like this:-

BIG = STUPID TALK
Ah is that the problem, for you?

You are just not capable of understanding words if they are not written in a particular way for you.

But, even when I wrote, 'How could what I said be, supposedly, 'incomprehensible'?' you still absolutely failed to just answer that one and only very simple clarifying question.

So, maybe it does not matter if I used big or small you just can not comprehend any thing I say.

Maybe 'big' is just your excuse for not being able to comprehend absolutely any thing I say.
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Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:21 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:16 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:59 pm

How could what I said be, supposedly, 'incomprehensible'?

I just said you could NOT find ONE fault NOR flaw in what I wrote.

So, then because of this you resort to write and CLAIM what you have done and do. Like, AGAIN, what you just did here now.

And, it is because I am PEDANTIC you can NOT find FAULT NOR FLAW in what I write.
Stop TORTURING me like this - I cannot follow what you are saying, one moment it's normal words, then they get BIG, looks like this:-

BIG = STUPID TALK
Ah is that the problem, for you?

You are just not capable of understanding words if they are not written in a particular way for you.

But, even when I wrote, 'How could what I said be, supposedly, 'incomprehensible'?' you still absolutely failed to just answer that one and only very simple clarifying question.

So, maybe it does not matter if I used big or small you just can not comprehend any thing I say.

Maybe 'big' is just your excuse for not being able to comprehend absolutely any thing I say.
Ah, the relief. I can read that, even comprehensible enough to know you are wrong, and I am certain I don't care to discuss why you are wrong.
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There are at least two perspectives, that can be had on the true identity of torture.


The first, is that entertainment is a preliminary shield, and politics is the actual shield, of protection from daylight's torture (the torture being the perspective that it's a circle whose location can't be known).

The second perspective, is that daylight needs observation (because it needs movement), meaning that it needs success/failure (because observation needs stories); as a result, of daylight needing capitalism's society, despite resetting identically (ergo, as a socialist), daylight is an inevitable torture device.
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:28 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:21 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:16 pm

Stop TORTURING me like this - I cannot follow what you are saying, one moment it's normal words, then they get BIG, looks like this:-

BIG = STUPID TALK
Ah is that the problem, for you?

You are just not capable of understanding words if they are not written in a particular way for you.

But, even when I wrote, 'How could what I said be, supposedly, 'incomprehensible'?' you still absolutely failed to just answer that one and only very simple clarifying question.

So, maybe it does not matter if I used big or small you just can not comprehend any thing I say.

Maybe 'big' is just your excuse for not being able to comprehend absolutely any thing I say.
Ah, the relief. I can read that, even comprehensible enough to know you are wrong, and I am certain I don't care to discuss why you are wrong.
Here is ANOTHER one who CLAIMS that 'I am wrong' but is completely and utterly INCAPABLE to even POINT OUT where, let alone being so INCAPABLE to even attempt to SHOW WHY.

How STUPID could one be to CLAIM "you are wrong" while NOT even being able to SHOW this?

ALSO besides being an absolutely LIE your EXCUSE for NOT being able to comprehend was also the WEAKEST and MOST USELESS on EVER.
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Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:18 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:28 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:21 pm

Ah is that the problem, for you?

You are just not capable of understanding words if they are not written in a particular way for you.

But, even when I wrote, 'How could what I said be, supposedly, 'incomprehensible'?' you still absolutely failed to just answer that one and only very simple clarifying question.

So, maybe it does not matter if I used big or small you just can not comprehend any thing I say.

Maybe 'big' is just your excuse for not being able to comprehend absolutely any thing I say.
Ah, the relief. I can read that, even comprehensible enough to know you are wrong, and I am certain I don't care to discuss why you are wrong.
Here is ANOTHER one who CLAIMS that 'I am wrong' but is completely and utterly INCAPABLE to even POINT OUT where, let alone being so INCAPABLE to even attempt to SHOW WHY.

How STUPID could one be to CLAIM "you are wrong" while NOT even being able to SHOW this?

ALSO besides being an absolutely LIE your EXCUSE for NOT being able to comprehend was also the WEAKEST and MOST USELESS on EVER.
OUCH!!

You are doing it again, stop torturing me.
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