Essential services during the pandemic

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Nick_A
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Re: Essential services during the pandemic

Post by Nick_A » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:30 am

Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:36 pm
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:52 pm
Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:42 am
Is abortion an essential service?

Ohio Orders Abortion Clinics to Stop Performing ‘Elective’ Abortions
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... abortions/
This emergency required eliminating the difference between abortion and infanticide. Since infanticide is just baby killing within a year after birth we have to extend abortions for a year after birth during the crisis. It is the PC thing to do.
For all intents and purposes, it seems that all abortions are elective, or else deemed essential to save the psychological health of the woman. There is a small percentage for medical reasons, I would guess the most common of them being chemo therapy for the mother, but modern medicine has done wonders with childbirth.

Would you say that's what is going on?
The point I was making is that Abortion can only be elective until chldbirth. If during an emergency, abortions are not allowed for being elective, is it fair that women lose their freedom and stuck with an unwanted baby? Obviously not. So the simple solution is to extend abortions to include infanticide which by definition extends the time for an additional year where abortions would be legal for the sake of protecting a woman's right to choose. Simple enough.

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Re: Essential services during the pandemic

Post by Age » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:15 am

Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:25 pm
Preventing the death of the mother is not elective surgery.
Are you now saying that abortion therefore is an 'essential' service?

Or, do you agree with me on that it always 'depends'?
Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:25 pm
When abortionists speak of the mother's health and welfare, they include "psychological" health.
Who exactly are 'abortionists'?

Is psychological health only what you want to refer to in your question now?

Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:25 pm
Is abortion in the name of psychological health* essential, or is it elective surgery?

* most abortions
That all, once again, 'depends'.

Is the mother having suicidal thoughts or not?

Does she want to kill herself if she is not allowed an abortion?

If yes, and there is one other human being who wants her to keep living, then it could be argued it is 'essential' that she has an abortion. Therefore, an answer to this most absurdly and stupidly 'generalized' question is, Yes abortion is "essential".

But, OBVIOUSLY, in another situation or circumstance the answer will be different.

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Re: Essential services during the pandemic

Post by uwot » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:35 pm

Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:56 pm
uwot wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:30 pm
I already did, that's why I asked them.
Not feeling it.
Fair enough, I wasn't really paying attention.
Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:56 pm
Feel free to submit your work at a later date, keeping in mind relevance to the thread topic, as always. I’m confident that if you apply yourself you can come up with something worthwhile.
Thank you for your confidence. So, in answer to your original question:
Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:42 am
Is abortion an essential service?
In my view, yes it is. It may well be that some women have abortions for no other reason than "stone-cold, fucked-up selfishness", but that doesn't apply to any of the women I know who have had abortions. None of them took it lightly.
Here's something that is worth considering:

"What sort of woman was most likely to take advantage of Roe v. Wade? Very often she was unmarried or in her teens or poor, and sometimes all three. What sort of future might her child have had? One study has shown that the typical child who went unborn in the earliest years of legalised abortion would have been 50 percent more likely than average to live in poverty; he would have also been 60 percent more likely to grow up with just one parent. These two factors - childhood poverty and a single parent household - are among the strongest predictors that a child will have a criminal future. Growing up in a single-parent home roughly doubles a child's propensity to commit crime. So does having a teenager mother. Another study has shown that low maternal education is the single most powerful factor leading to criminality.
In other words, the very factors that drove millions of American women to have an abortion also seemed to predict that their children, had they been born, would have led unhappy and possibly criminal lives."

-FREAKONOMICS Steven D. Levitt & Stephen J. Dubner.

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Re: Essential services during the pandemic

Post by bahman » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:19 pm

Walker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:42 am
Is abortion an essential service?

Ohio Orders Abortion Clinics to Stop Performing ‘Elective’ Abortions
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... abortions/
It should be illegal because there is a new person at the moment of conception that we have no right to decide about it.

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