Vengeance and Revenge

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Vengeance and Revenge

Post by Walker » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:33 pm

The mulling of this began in a dead thread.

Both are facts of life.

Any insights to correct or refine this particular ordering?
I’ll shut up, so fearlessly say anything you like.

Vengeance is necessary for a society.
- Vengeance comes from rule of law.
- Vengeance is punishment, not rehab.
- Vengeance is impersonal.
- Vengeance is proportional.
- Vengeance is predictable.
- Vengeance is to maintain order in society.
- Capital punishment.

Revenge is harmful for a society.
- Revenge comes from rule of man.
- Revenge is punishment, not rehab.
- Revenge is personal.
- Revenge can be disproportionate.
- Revenge is unpredictable.
- Revenge is to maintain the order of a personal view.
- Murder.

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Re: Vengeance and Revenge

Post by Walker » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:56 pm

One more thing, since you’re going to hear the word a lot.

How would abortion fit into this ordering of the universe?

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Re: Vengeance and Revenge

Post by Impenitent » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:19 am

until the fetus has the right to life, it is impersonal


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Re: Vengeance and Revenge

Post by mickthinks » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:55 am

There is a distinction in meaning between vengeance and revenge, but it isn't the one you have drawn there. (I suggest it is that "vengeance" is the abstract noun used for the class of responses and outcomes, and "revenge" is a (slightly more concrete?) noun (and sometimes verb) used to indicate particular instances of returning harm for harm—happy to discuss).

So whatever point you wanted to make about the difference between society's needs and operation and individual motives and desires has been lost, I think.

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Re: Vengeance and Revenge

Post by QuantumT » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:27 pm

Retribution, revenge, vengeance, it's so primitive.

What you want to do is stop a person from inflicting harm.

If it's a rapist: Cut the balls. He will never again have the urge.
Same goes for violent crimes. The balls also runs agression.

Theft. It's not such a serious crime. Brand them. Exclude them.

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