"Do no harm" as a failed moral framework

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Re: "Do no harm" as a failed moral framework

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:59 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:51 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:46 pm
Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:22 am
Actually no, it's called sexual abuse which may or may not harm a woman's emotional or mental state.
Thats called circular reasoning. You are implying sexual abuse is evil because it's sexual abuse. But you don't seem to want to understand the underlying reasons behind it. I am giving an underlying reason of why sexual abuse is evil...it is evil because it causes mental illness and emotional damage. The underlying evil is the mental illness, emotional damage. If something causes no damage, it is not evil. Understand? If someone does something to you, and it causes you no damage, then it is injust to give them damage in return. And that forms the whole basis of the human moral system. Anything else is cultural brainwashing.
It boils down to what one calls 'harm', how about just 'Do no physical harm'. Another solution is for the homosexual to realise that rejection can part and parcel of trying to form a relationship, that and that he really ought to consider what 'heterosexual' means.
2 things. 'Do no physical harm' is not a culturally accepted moral framework. If an old man touches a child's penis but does not physically harm the child's butthole, then he has done no physical harm to the child, but has caused mental illness, emotional harm, on the child.
Other thing is, far as the "part and parcel" goes, slapping a woman's ass is part of her getting turned on sexually, yet society bans it.
All because society is geared and focused (brainwashed) to care about a woman's needs, but not care about male needs. (Ie. titanic philosophy, men need to die and women need to live.)
] :lol: You think you can kill someone just because you were bullied in school?
What about the movie Moonlight. Hollywood seems to agree with me as it just released a movie that glorifies killing bullies. I think it won an Academy Award.
You can't go around slapping men either. It's called assault.
because we live in a pussy, panzy world of pathetic manginas.

i should not only be allowed to slap a man, but punch him in the face as well.

this is joker filozophy.

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Re: "Do no harm" as a failed moral framework

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:10 am

Arising_uk wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:30 am
I think 'sticks and stones' is a good moral guide and one that many today ought to bear in mind but with respect to sexual matters I think informed consent is the major concern.

Not for all women and it's not banned by society if there is informed consent.
so for you, sending someone to prison to rot for years, get raped and be tortured is not punishment for some kind of psychological damage? But instead, punished for not doing the paper work of informed consent? So its not about the psychological damage of rape that we punish rapists, but the main reason we punish rapists is because, they didnt fill out the proper forms? okay.

in that case, send all the doctors who butcher baby penises (circumcision) to 50 years mandatory prison. they violated consent

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Re: "Do no harm" as a failed moral framework

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:51 pm

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:so for you, sending someone to prison to rot for years, get raped and be tortured ...
Sounds like you need to sort your prisons out.
is not punishment for some kind of psychological damage?
No, it's for breaking the Law.
But instead, punished for not doing the paper work of informed consent?
You thinking asking someone is just 'paperwork'?
So its not about the psychological damage of rape that we punish rapists, but the main reason we punish rapists is because, they didnt fill out the proper forms? okay.
No, it's because they didn't bother to ask or didn't take no for an answer.
in that case, send all the doctors who butcher baby penises (circumcision) to 50 years mandatory prison. they violated consent
Informed consent but I agree that such practices should not be allowed. Although by-an-large our doctors don't do them over here unless it's for medical reasons but that's because they are under a nationalised health service and so are accountable.

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Re: "Do no harm" as a failed moral framework

Post by Science Fan » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:30 am

The principle --- "do no harm" --- is self-refuting. After all, if I don't want to follow it, then one has to harm me to impose it.

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Re: "Do no harm" as a failed moral framework

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:08 am

Science Fan wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:30 am
The principle --- "do no harm" --- is self-refuting. After all, if I don't want to follow it, then one has to harm me to impose it.
That sums it up.....

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