manipulation is what you saw in Chopin. OK. tastes could not be discussed
Art and truth
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The Magic Eye
See the truth?
See the truth?
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To see the truth it helps to manually enlarge the picture to full screen.
To see the truth the view requires a bit of manipulation.
To see the truth the view requires a bit of manipulation.
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If you still can't see the truth, put on your best 1000-yard stare and move your eyes around a little bit.
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I'm not sure I understand you.
My position is that at the heart of all art there is a human concept relative to reality.
I was left with the impression that you think that a counterexample would be Chopin's music (for some reason one should generalize from it a characteristic of all the arts?)
Your criticism, however, focused on the fact that I poorly describe Chopin when using the word "manipulation."
I assure you that it was not my intention to offend Chopin.
Regards.
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You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it see the truth.
For that reason, the truth is self-protected.
It is protected from the blind simply by the fact that it is the truth.
For that reason, the truth is self-protected.
It is protected from the blind simply by the fact that it is the truth.
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For me. art is distinguished from other human products because it expresses a novel idea about some aspect of reality. But this concept, being new, will only be considered art when society or the individual are in a position to understand it. The particularity of artistic expression is that it uses our aesthetic sensibility as a means of transmission. It is possible that the concept transmitted is related to aesthetics but it is also common that it is not.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:07 pmCould you explain what you mean by that in a bit more detail?
In all cases, this concept corresponds to human reality. I do not consider it to have a transcendental origin or objective.
An artist can express himself unintentionally or intentionally and his creation may be considered art if others deem it valuable.
Thus, for a person to be an artist, they must first have a fresh and novel vision of reality. Original ideas are invaluable. Especially if they are relevant.
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When we're talking about instrumental music, say, what would you say is an example of a novel idea about some aspect of reality that a musical artwork would be expressing?
You wouldn't say there can be bad art, poorly executed art, crap art, etc.?An artist can express himself unintentionally or intentionally and his creation may be considered art if others deem it valuable.
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Music is appreciated because we specialize in distinguishing patterns (of all kinds) and when a pattern is understood we are rewarded with a sense of pleasure.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:50 pmWhen we're talking about instrumental music, say, what would you say is an example of a novel idea about some aspect of reality that a musical artwork would be expressing?
You wouldn't say there can be bad art, poorly executed art, crap art, etc.?An artist can express himself unintentionally or intentionally and his creation may be considered art if others deem it valuable.
However, as patterns are associated with emotions, when listening to music, we also interpret it according to our associations. The music can be martial or romantic. As if a certain pattern of sounds, without any other information, could describe battles or loves.
No. There is art or there is no art. Either the idea is relevant and novel and its expression is executed with excellence or not.