Art and truth

[Walker]

I don't think his art was primarily a result of his mental health problems.

Regards.

Obviously not, or the output of the loony bins would be worth $billions.

[Walker]

I agree with you that he was most likely "divergent" but I cannot distinguish that he externalized his work in an attempt not to be.
Regards.

I agree.
"Attempt" implies choice.
He had no choice.
He did what he had to do.

[Janoah]

portraying truth,

this is not the theme of this topic, but still, could you formulate what is truth in your opinion?

[Belinda]

'Art and Truth' is the title of this conversation. Truth is a mobile idea. Its manifestations are recognisable mainly by the intentions of the agent.If you would seek truth in works of art look to the intention of the artist.

[Janoah]

If you would seek truth in works of art look to the intention of the artist.

albeit, 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'.

I understood you that the truth is an idea. But what this idea is, I unfortunately did not find out.

[psycho]

'Art and Truth' is the title of this conversation. Truth is a mobile idea. Its manifestations are recognisable mainly by the intentions of the agent.If you would seek truth in works of art look to the intention of the artist.

For me, "Truth" is an approximation to reality and this is an insurmountable limit by design.

I do not think that Art would be a sum of effectiveness where the importance of the idea, the intention when expressing it, the ability to translate it, the artistic ability, the aesthetic conceptions, etc. of an artist result in a work of art. The mind is an opaque box and we only see its products.


The observer reacts or not to the work.

If Picasso had been a recluse who never expressed anything outside of his paintings and sculptures. A complete stranger whose entire work would have been hidden in a basement. When you went down to that basement for the first time and without knowing anything about the artist, would you have considered his work as a work of art?

[Belinda]

'Art and Truth' is the title of this conversation. Truth is a mobile idea. Its manifestations are recognisable mainly by the intentions of the agent.If you would seek truth in works of art look to the intention of the artist.

For me, "Truth" is an approximation to reality and this is an insurmountable limit by design.

I do not think that Art would be a sum of effectiveness where the importance of the idea, the intention when expressing it, the ability to translate it, the artistic ability, the aesthetic conceptions, etc. of an artist result in a work of art. The mind is an opaque box and we only see its products.


The observer reacts or not to the work.

If Picasso had been a recluse who never expressed anything outside of his paintings and sculptures. A complete stranger whose entire work would have been hidden in a basement. When you went down to that basement for the first time and without knowing anything about the artist, would you have considered his work as a work of art?

Yes truth is an approximation to reality and nobody can know the limits of reality.
I would not have considered Picasso's paintings and sculptures works of art because I would not have been familiarised with the idioms Picasso employed. I'd have appreciated George Stubbs's or Degas's horse paintings immediately as works of art.

Everybody who wants to understand works of art, including those within popular culture, has to learn the idiom. Musically, it is likely that babies respond to rhythm and tone, and perhaps certain intervals increase dopamine levels. The visual arts however are more suited to symbolism and other means of conveying conceptual meanings.

[psycho]

'Art and Truth' is the title of this conversation. Truth is a mobile idea. Its manifestations are recognisable mainly by the intentions of the agent.If you would seek truth in works of art look to the intention of the artist.

For me, "Truth" is an approximation to reality and this is an insurmountable limit by design.

I do not think that Art would be a sum of effectiveness where the importance of the idea, the intention when expressing it, the ability to translate it, the artistic ability, the aesthetic conceptions, etc. of an artist result in a work of art. The mind is an opaque box and we only see its products.


The observer reacts or not to the work.

If Picasso had been a recluse who never expressed anything outside of his paintings and sculptures. A complete stranger whose entire work would have been hidden in a basement. When you went down to that basement for the first time and without knowing anything about the artist, would you have considered his work as a work of art?

Yes truth is an approximation to reality and nobody can know the limits of reality.
I would not have considered Picasso's paintings and sculptures works of art because I would not have been familiarised with the idioms Picasso employed. I'd have appreciated George Stubbs's or Degas's horse paintings immediately as works of art.

Everybody who wants to understand works of art, including those within popular culture, has to learn the idiom. Musically, it is likely that babies respond to rhythm and tone, and perhaps certain intervals increase dopamine levels. The visual arts however are more suited to symbolism and other means of conveying conceptual meanings.

I understand that an approach to the concepts that nurture a particular artist makes it easier to distinguish subtleties in their work. But if his work doesn't seduce with the promise of an interesting and aesthetic idea, no further explanation will make you find it of value.

Perhaps it is unfounded but I suppose that if you looked at the works of Picasso in their chronological order and you would be warned about the plastic orientation in art, before he made his appearance, you would appreciate his exploration even if you would never previously have known a word of his intentions.

But it's just my opinion.

[Janoah]

For me, "Truth" is an approximation to reality and this is an insurmountable limit by design.

However, the point is that this is a scientific truth. Truth in art may, on the contrary, not approximate to reality.
For example, pigs do not fly in science, but pigs can fly in art.

[psycho]

For me, "Truth" is an approximation to reality and this is an insurmountable limit by design.

However, the point is that this is a scientific truth. Truth in art may, on the contrary, not approximate to reality.
For example, pigs do not fly in science, but pigs can fly in art.

In this case I was using Truth as a synonym for knowledge.

Knowledge is always a W.I.P. In science and in art.

[Janoah]

In this case I was using Truth as a synonym for knowledge.

for science it can be.

The question remains, what is truth in art? It is clear that in art, truth is not an approximation to reality, (although there was such a trend in art, "socialist realism").

[Nick_A]

In this case I was using Truth as a synonym for knowledge.

for science it can be.

The question remains, what is truth in art? It is clear that in art, truth is not an approximation to reality, (although there was such a trend in art, "socialist realism").

Truth in art is the process of vivifying human ideals forgotten in daily life.

What is hope for example and the difference between hope in something or hope as an evolved human quality? Aivazovsky's depiction of the Ninth Wave as the value of hope being revealed and vivified in a work of art.

https://artsandculture.google.com/asset ... rOSw?hl=en

Ivan Aivazovsky’s great painting, The Ninth Wave, is a striking portrayal of Hope itself. It depicts survivors of a shipwreck struggling to hold on to a piece of wreckage in a violent storm. The name relates to a nautical tradition in which successive waves grow in strength up to the ninth, after which the cycle repeats. Even though the subject of the painting is a brutal struggle against nature, the treatment of the scene is dramatically beautiful, and in a sense, heartwarming. In the horizon we see the bright light of the sun radiating through clouds like a giant flame. The blaze of the sky is reflected on the surface of the water, touching it with a flickering glimmer of light. The men fighting for their lives may perish at any moment, but the sense of imminent death is dispelled by an even stronger sense of hope, a sense that one’s struggle will not be in vain if only one keeps his resolve to carry on. In this way, the bright, warm, burning sun is a personification of Hope, the rays of which keep the survivors’ will afloat just as the remaining part of the ship carries their bodies. The physical piece of wreckage is essential for their survival, but what is more essential is the ever present hope that keeps their efforts going, for once the spirit surrenders nothing else will matter.

[Terrapin Station]

They say: "True art!"

Who says that?

At any rate, what folks would be referring to is just that something about the art, re what it's "communicating" on an abstract level, resonates with the consumer--it seems on-target in its observations, its impressions, its commentary, its criticism, etc.

[Janoah]

Aivazovsky's depiction of the Ninth Wave as the value of hope being revealed and vivified in a work of art.

Armenian Aivazovsky may have expressed the Hope of the entire Armenian people in this picture!

[Janoah]

At any rate, what folks would be referring to is just that something about the art, re what it's "communicating" on an abstract level, resonates with the consumer--it seems on-target in its observations, its impressions, its commentary, its criticism, etc.

pornography, for example, also resonates with consumers.