Had you used it, your point would've resonated with me better.
I am sure it is for you, but I have no idea what you are talking about.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:44 pm Again, via typing. That's sufficient for it to obtain.
Had you used it, your point would've resonated with me better.
I am sure it is for you, but I have no idea what you are talking about.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:44 pm Again, via typing. That's sufficient for it to obtain.
I'm asking you what you find useful about an emotion/feeling distinction. It would resonate with you better because of what about the distinction?
What we're typing--words such as the present ones--are something I count as language (it's not the whole of what language is, but it's sufficient to indicate language). So the fact that we're typing these words is sufficient to evidence that language is obtaining.I am sure it is for you, but I have no idea what you are talking about.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:44 pm Again, via typing. That's sufficient for it to obtain.
it resonates better, because you wouldn't be equivocating yourself from the perspective of my (richer) vocabulary.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:48 pm I'm asking you what you find useful about an emotion/feeling distinction. It would resonate with you better because of what about the distinction?
We seem to have different criteria for sufficiency. Words aren't sufficient for me - machine learning algorithms (such as GPT-3) spit out words.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:48 pm What we're typing--words such as the present ones--are something I count as language (it's not the whole of what language is, but it's sufficient to indicate language). So the fact that we're typing these words is sufficient to evidence that language is obtaining.
That's nothing about the distinction, so it doesn't answer the question. I asked you to specify what about the distinction would make it resonate better with you. That requires explaining an aspect of the distinction that would result in usage of the distinction resonating with you better.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:59 pmit resonates better, because you wouldn't be equivocating yourself from the perspective of my (richer) vocabulary.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:48 pm I'm asking you what you find useful about an emotion/feeling distinction. It would resonate with you better because of what about the distinction?
Sure.We seem to have different criteria for sufficiency.
Help me help you. What is it that you didn't understand in my previous answer?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:01 pm That's nothing about the distinction, so it doesn't answer the question. I asked you to specify what about the distinction would make it resonate better with you. That requires explaining an aspect of the distinction that would result in usage of the distinction resonating with you better.
You'd help me by answering what I asked instead of limiting yourself to what you want to allow yourself to say to further an online persona.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:06 pmHelp me help you. What is it that you didn't understand in my previous answer?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:01 pm That's nothing about the distinction, so it doesn't answer the question. I asked you to specify what about the distinction would make it resonate better with you. That requires explaining an aspect of the distinction that would result in usage of the distinction resonating with you better.
I answered to the best of my understanding of what you asked.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:09 pm You'd help me by answering what I asked instead of limiting yourself to what you want to allow yourself to say to further an online persona.
Sure, so to be clear: one criterion to answer what I asked is for you to specify something about the feeling/emotion distinction you use.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:09 pmI answered to the best of my understanding of what you asked.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:09 pm You'd help me by answering what I asked instead of limiting yourself to what you want to allow yourself to say to further an online persona.
Sure. From a historical thread... (because I am too lazy to type).Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:14 pm Sure, so to be clear: one criterion to answer what I asked is for you to specify something about the feeling/emotion distinction you use.
Do you understand that? (Then we can get to the next criterion.)
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:10 pm The language I use to distinguish between these two is "emotions" and "feelings". Emotions are physiological reactions - you can't control those. They happen in the brain (chemical reactions) outside of your control. You experience them whether you want to or not.
Feelings is the meaning you choose to assign to an emotion in the context of which you are experiencing it.
So for example:
color spectrum + positive emotion (endorphins)-> It feels pretty.
food + positive emotion -> It feels delicious
What we'd need to get to is how you'd think this would relate to what I was saying, but before we do that, as is typical with supposed emotion/feeling distinctions, this seems very untenable to me.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:21 pmSure. From a historical thread... (because I am too lazy to type).Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:14 pm Sure, so to be clear: one criterion to answer what I asked is for you to specify something about the feeling/emotion distinction you use.
Do you understand that? (Then we can get to the next criterion.)
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:10 pm The language I use to distinguish between these two is "emotions" and "feelings". Emotions are physiological reactions - you can't control those. They happen in the brain (chemical reactions) outside of your control. You experience them whether you want to or not.
Feelings is the meaning you choose to assign to an emotion in the context of which you are experiencing it.
So for example:
color spectrum + positive emotion (endorphins)-> It feels pretty.
food + positive emotion -> It feels delicious
There is the emotion you experience, and there's the way you choose to feel about it.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:29 pm For one, this suggests that you have a view that there's a sense of "meaning" that's (a) a feeling, and (b) that isn't a phsyiological/brain reaction that you can't control. Neither side of that makes much sense to me.
You've never heard the phrase "acquired taste"? Dark chocolate tasted horrendous when I first tried it. It is an absolute delicacy to me now.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:29 pm What seems most odd to me about it is that you apparently believe that you can control whether something is pretty or delicious to you?
I don't buy feelings as something that one can choose.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:35 pmThere is the emotion you experience, and there's the way you choose to feel about it.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:29 pm For one, this suggests that you have a view that there's a sense of "meaning" that's (a) a feeling, and (b) that isn't a phsyiological/brain reaction that you can't control. Neither side of that makes much sense to me.
Whether you view any particular experience in a positive or negative light hinges precisely being able to identify the emotion and "reinterpret" it.
Where some people see failure, other people see learning. Surely this is not new to you? It's at least in Stoicism.
You've never heard the phrase "acquired taste"? Dark chocolate tasted horrendous when I first tried it. It is an absolute delicacy to me now.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:29 pm What seems most odd to me about it is that you apparently believe that you can control whether something is pretty or delicious to you?
Had I defaulted to the emotion, without wrangling the feeling I would've had absolutely no reason to try it again.