Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by BradburyPound » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:44 am

And then there is Bourdelle, who by his own account managed to "escape" Rodin's studios.

One of his masterful depictions of Beethoven.

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:45 am

BradburyPound wrote:Yugoslavian Mestrovic, another student of Rodin.
His tragic image of Job.
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Looks more like Hobbes' taking a crap outside. :lol:

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by BradburyPound » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:46 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Looks more like Hobbes' taking a crap outside. :lol:

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Ah, and art lover. What a surprise!

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:52 am

BradburyPound wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Looks more like Hobbes' taking a crap outside. :lol:

PhilX
Ah, and art lover. What a surprise!

Now run along and do your Bible Study..
https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testamen ... b?lang=eng
Why don't you do that Hobbes like a good little boy like your mommy wanted you to be.

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:55 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
BradburyPound wrote:Yugoslavian Mestrovic, another student of Rodin.
His tragic image of Job.
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Looks more like Hobbes' taking a crap outside. :lol:

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:01 am

BradburyPound wrote:And then there is Bourdelle, who by his own account managed to "escape" Rodin's studios.

One of his masterful depictions of Beethoven.

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What a piece of garbage. Beethoven never looked like that. Should be given to the scrap heap.

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:03 am

BradburyPound wrote:
Walker wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:Frankly his works don't impress me.

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Also, Frank ...

Here’s the thing that grabbed my attention about a picture of a clay sculpture, I think it was clay, that I once saw, which can also be seen in Rodin’s work.

The face was asymmetrical and not only realistic, but therefore of a realistic human, and showed the tension of the movement towards the balance of symmetry in the mind that shapes the face. The artist isn’t an artist because he intended to mold that tension, though he may be conceptually aware of that tension in the process of shaping form with fingertips, and afterwards. Rather, the artist is an artist simply because he is faithful to reality, and has the technical skill to transfer reality from light reflecting off a source, through the optic nerve and into the brain, then through the nerves to the fingertips to reproduce in a particular three-dimensional medium, the same pattern of light reflections that can be objectively recognized by most any brain. The transference process involves as much observation as technique, and observation requires undistracted placement of attention. In the case of the bust, either the observation or the technique is rather pure, perhaps a combination of both, and that in itself is enough to deserve a measure of respect.

Rodin was also a teacher, with at least one student who sculpted him.
His most brilliant student was Camille Claudel who, in the opinion of many surpassed Rodin in her all too short career.
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Never saw so much junk. I've seen better in grade school.

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by BradburyPound » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:08 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
BradburyPound wrote:
Walker wrote: Also, Frank ...

Here’s the thing that grabbed my attention about a picture of a clay sculpture, I think it was clay, that I once saw, which can also be seen in Rodin’s work.

The face was asymmetrical and not only realistic, but therefore of a realistic human, and showed the tension of the movement towards the balance of symmetry in the mind that shapes the face. The artist isn’t an artist because he intended to mold that tension, though he may be conceptually aware of that tension in the process of shaping form with fingertips, and afterwards. Rather, the artist is an artist simply because he is faithful to reality, and has the technical skill to transfer reality from light reflecting off a source, through the optic nerve and into the brain, then through the nerves to the fingertips to reproduce in a particular three-dimensional medium, the same pattern of light reflections that can be objectively recognized by most any brain. The transference process involves as much observation as technique, and observation requires undistracted placement of attention. In the case of the bust, either the observation or the technique is rather pure, perhaps a combination of both, and that in itself is enough to deserve a measure of respect.

Rodin was also a teacher, with at least one student who sculpted him.
His most brilliant student was Camille Claudel who, in the opinion of many surpassed Rodin in her all too short career.
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Never saw so much junk. I've seen better in grade school.

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:13 am

BradburyPound wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
BradburyPound wrote:
His most brilliant student was Camille Claudel who, in the opinion of many surpassed Rodin in her all too short career.
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Never saw so much junk. I've seen better in grade school.

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You are such a total moron.
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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:44 pm

I see now why PE made this thread. :idea:

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Londoner » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:05 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: Never saw so much junk. I've seen better in grade school.

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Can you post a picture of some works you consider better?

And say why?

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Walker » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:43 pm

BradburyPound wrote: His most brilliant student was Camille Claudel who, in the opinion of many surpassed Rodin in her all too short career.
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That is fantastic and fluid, the postures evoke tension and the diagonals evoke movement, tension and movement which manifests in the moment of cognition and emanates from the sculpture itself reflecting light and casting shadow, formed by fidelity to reality.

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These two visages have a good chance of existing for as long as the earth exists, which is longer than just about anything that anyone can imagine, even a religion, thus art and goodness exist in the concept of fidelity to reality for the benefit of future humanity, and fortunately will outlast faddish notions of modernity that come and go like changes in the weather, thus allowing folks to form their own future narratives based on an objective record.

Bust of Rodin by Claudel
http://www.sothebys.com/content/dam/stb ... _5_ext.jpg

Bust of Claudel by Rodin
https://uploads8.wikiart.org/images/aug ... laudel.jpg

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Harbal » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:25 pm

BradburyPound wrote:Yugoslavian Mestrovic, another student of Rodin.
His tragic image of Job.
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"Tragic" is a bit strong, It's not all that bad for a student.

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by BradburyPound » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:49 pm

Harbal wrote:
BradburyPound wrote:Yugoslavian Mestrovic, another student of Rodin.
His tragic image of Job.
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"Tragic" is a bit strong, It's not all that bad for a student.
Obviously even Rodin was a student at some point.

Mestrovic was in his 70s when he made this.

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Re: Why is Rodin considered to be an artist?

Post by Dalek Prime » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:27 pm

Rodan's cool!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodan

Oh :( .......

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