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Re: Music

Post by Conde Lucanor » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:56 am

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It must have been one incredible experience to have been among the audience not only for the music but also in being surrounded by the frozen music of cathedral architecture each in harmony with the other.
We don't find choral works performed around here too often, but the Christmas before the last one we were lucky to have the Messiah performed at our modest Metropolitan Cathedral, which was being built around the time Handel wrote it. It was the perfect setting and what a delightful night it was.

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Post by Harbal » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:12 pm

I don't think this is as bad as it looks. They're just kids, they'll probably just grow out of it.

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Re: Music

Post by Conde Lucanor » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:15 am

Harbal wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:12 pm
I don't think this is as bad as it looks. They're just kids, they'll probably just grow out of it.
I find them at least interesting, if not worth the first prize at the competition, but consider how these other kids totally destroyed a good song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8mvpRyWxU

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Re: Music

Post by Dubious » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:59 am

Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:15 am
Harbal wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:12 pm
I don't think this is as bad as it looks. They're just kids, they'll probably just grow out of it.
I find them at least interesting, if not worth the first prize at the competition, but consider how these other kids totally destroyed a good song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8mvpRyWxU
They ain't what they used to be not by any stretch.

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Re: Music

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:30 am

Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:15 am

I find them at least interesting, if not worth the first prize at the competition, but consider how these other kids totally destroyed a good song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8mvpRyWxU
There's not really any other way they can sing it. It just doesn't suit them. They aren't pop singers.

Speaking of someone ruining a lovely song. A good example of ego over taste--sadly rampant today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHw62eZpHk4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWTaaS7LdU

On the subject of bad covers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2vHbXI2p4k

The original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEhDrJzM8E

'Covers' are pointless for the most part.

If I didn't know he had such an excellent sense of humour I would have said this is possibly the worst cover ever recorded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJrIluya10Y

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Re: Music

Post by Conde Lucanor » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:25 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:30 am
Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:15 am

I find them at least interesting, if not worth the first prize at the competition, but consider how these other kids totally destroyed a good song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8mvpRyWxU
There's not really any other way they can sing it. It just doesn't suit them. They aren't pop singers.
It's probably not the kid's fault, the key is in the arrangement.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:30 am
Speaking of someone ruining a lovely song. A good example of ego over taste--sadly rampant today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHw62eZpHk4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWTaaS7LdU
I didn't get exactly who is for you the one who ruined the song. Parton's version seems to be the original, but I don't think she can even compete with the voice skills of Houston. The Linda Ronstadt version seems to be pretty good, too.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:30 am
On the subject of bad covers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2vHbXI2p4k

The original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEhDrJzM8E
This is one of those cases in which I heard the cover version first and it stuck in my mind for a while as the original. I think it was not bad, I liked the palm-muted crunchy riffs of Taylor's guitar.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:30 am
'Covers' are pointless for the most part.

If I didn't know he had such an excellent sense of humour I would have said this is possibly the worst cover ever recorded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJrIluya10Y
Any song can only get worst in the Glee TV show.

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Re: Music

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:37 pm

Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:25 pm

I didn't get exactly who is for you the one who ruined the song.
I expected that reaction from someone. There's a bit more to music than showy displays of technical skills and thick vocal chords, otherwise practically everyone on American Idol would become a 'star' instead of a forgotten has-been by the next season.

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Re: Music

Post by Conde Lucanor » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:47 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:37 pm
Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:25 pm

I didn't get exactly who is for you the one who ruined the song.
I expected that reaction from someone. There's a bit more to music than showy displays of technical skills and thick vocal chords, otherwise practically everyone on American Idol would become a 'star' instead of a forgotten has-been by the next season.
Sure, but there's a double edge in that argument. It also means that stardom is not necessarily in direct relation to individual talent.

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Post by Harbal » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:52 pm

Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:47 pm
It also means that stardom is not necessarily in direct relation to individual talent.
:shock: Surely not!

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Re: Music

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:53 pm

Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:47 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:37 pm
Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:25 pm

I didn't get exactly who is for you the one who ruined the song.
I expected that reaction from someone. There's a bit more to music than showy displays of technical skills and thick vocal chords, otherwise practically everyone on American Idol would become a 'star' instead of a forgotten has-been by the next season.
Sure, but there's a double edge in that argument. It also means that stardom is not necessarily in direct relation to individual talent.
That's not what I was saying at all. We were talking about a particular song. There are quite a few elements involved in 'stardom'.

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Re: Music

Post by Conde Lucanor » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:31 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:53 pm
Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:47 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:37 pm


I expected that reaction from someone. There's a bit more to music than showy displays of technical skills and thick vocal chords, otherwise practically everyone on American Idol would become a 'star' instead of a forgotten has-been by the next season.
Sure, but there's a double edge in that argument. It also means that stardom is not necessarily in direct relation to individual talent.
That's not what I was saying at all. We were talking about a particular song. There are quite a few elements involved in 'stardom'.
The question is whether those other elements, some or all of them, which create fame, are related to musical artistry alone. The answer is obvious: no. And the reason is very simple: that's how music business works. So, showing lots of musical talent in American Idol will not guarantee you stardom like Parton and Houston, and vice versa: having reached stardom will not be a proof of your talent. But what are we measuring in that particular song: musical talent or that other "bit more"?

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Re: Music

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:25 am

Conde Lucanor wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:31 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:53 pm
Conde Lucanor wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:47 pm


Sure, but there's a double edge in that argument. It also means that stardom is not necessarily in direct relation to individual talent.
That's not what I was saying at all. We were talking about a particular song. There are quite a few elements involved in 'stardom'.
The question is whether those other elements, some or all of them, which create fame, are related to musical artistry alone. The answer is obvious: no. And the reason is very simple: that's how music business works. So, showing lots of musical talent in American Idol will not guarantee you stardom like Parton and Houston, and vice versa: having reached stardom will not be a proof of your talent. But what are we measuring in that particular song: musical talent or that other "bit more"?
I don't even know what you are 'arguing' about. What do you want me to say?

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Re: Music

Post by Conde Lucanor » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:33 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:25 am
Conde Lucanor wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:31 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:53 pm

That's not what I was saying at all. We were talking about a particular song. There are quite a few elements involved in 'stardom'.
The question is whether those other elements, some or all of them, which create fame, are related to musical artistry alone. The answer is obvious: no. And the reason is very simple: that's how music business works. So, showing lots of musical talent in American Idol will not guarantee you stardom like Parton and Houston, and vice versa: having reached stardom will not be a proof of your talent. But what are we measuring in that particular song: musical talent or that other "bit more"?
I don't even know what you are 'arguing' about. What do you want me to say?
The point is that we cannot argue on the merits of the performances of Parton and Houston based on that "bit more" that they may have and will not be seen in a talent show.

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Re: Music

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:48 am

Conde Lucanor wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:33 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:25 am
Conde Lucanor wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:31 am

The question is whether those other elements, some or all of them, which create fame, are related to musical artistry alone. The answer is obvious: no. And the reason is very simple: that's how music business works. So, showing lots of musical talent in American Idol will not guarantee you stardom like Parton and Houston, and vice versa: having reached stardom will not be a proof of your talent. But what are we measuring in that particular song: musical talent or that other "bit more"?
I don't even know what you are 'arguing' about. What do you want me to say?
The point is that we cannot argue on the merits of the performances of Parton and Houston based on that "bit more" that they may have and will not be seen in a talent show.
I have no idea what you are talking about.

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