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seeds wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:02 pm _______

Yuja Wang - Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No 2 in C minor Op.18

https://youtu.be/oD5pqlDPCHc

As I said in the YouTube comment section:
"Yuja Wang is probably one of the reasons why God doesn't wipe humanity out and start all over again from scratch. It would take too long to evolve a new batch of beings to the point where such musical perfection would be possible again."
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You can barely hear her playing for much of it so what makes her playing here so special to you?

Is it better than this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AvRfs8 ... =musicanth
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Civilization Phase III; Xmas Values
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promethean75 wrote: Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:24 am Civilization Phase III; Xmas Values
Sounds like a sound track for a move starring little pigmy twilights intent on pursuit of their devices and machinations. Zappa just couldn’t stay away from that discordant comedy, his burden of intelligence. I’d say that the fundamental difference between Stevie Wonder and Zappa is that Wonder echoes nature’s sounds, and Zappa is more of a reactionary is the sense that painters such as Cezanne became reactionaries responding not to reality, but to the dimension and world of painting with all its particulars and effects, so that the medium literally becomes the message co-formed by painter and viewer. Zappa liked to mess around with preconceptions of what folks think should be, musically. His music of course is just riddled with satire of the likes of Led Zepplin and pop tunes, of people and their ways.

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Wonder explains attention’s requirement for self-enquiry, first through another’s voice and arrangement, then with his own.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqbvX_sYoN0

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bnx_Qwy7w4
(1:25: fancy bass)
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"Sounds like a sound track for a move starring little pigmy twilights intent on pursuit of their devices and machinations"

Lol! Roxy and Elsewhere... iddint that the greatest live album you ever heard? Those were the prime years with the best personnel, in my opinion.

"Zappa just couldn’t stay away from that discordant comedy, his burden of intelligence."

That, sir, is so precisely true:

"Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consonant and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese." -FZ

But what can you do when there is no real market for more serious music, and you gotta pay the bills? That's right, you move into the rock n roll industry with your tongue in cheek. You do it, and do it incredibly well, but you ain't gotta like it.

There's basically two operating Zappa personas. You have the comedy-rock for making satire of American culture (basking in the self-satisfied superiority he had as a artist while laughing at everyone)... and you have the more serious composer who truly enjoyed experimenting with very difficult stuff regardless of whether or not it sold (but it did, fortunately). But the comic element was almost always there, even when he wasn't lambasting something for being so stupid and dull.

"I’d say that the fundamental difference between Stevie Wonder and Zappa is that Wonder echoes nature’s sounds, and Zappa is more of a reactionary"

Didn't see that coming but I think I'll buy it. Interesting comparison. Frank greatly admired the soul of rhythm and blues and was actually raised on it, but his genius naturally forced him beyond those constraints and into more experimental environments. Wonder more or less kept to that general formula but absolutely expanded upon it... also moving into the more progressive, jazz fusion environment. Ever heard Contusion? Steve put his foot down on this one, man. I swear something hit all the great artists in the middle of the seventies like all of a sudden. A solar flare or magnetic shift of the erf maybe, I dunno, but shit got really, really good almost over night.

Also check out 'Too High' and 'Superwoman' by Wonder, as well, if you haven't heard them.
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promethean75 wrote: Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:19 am "Sounds like a sound track for a move starring little pigmy twilights intent on pursuit of their devices and machinations"

Lol! Roxy and Elsewhere... iddint that the greatest live album you ever heard? Those were the prime years with the best personnel, in my opinion.

"Zappa just couldn’t stay away from that discordant comedy, his burden of intelligence."

That, sir, is so precisely true:

"Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consonant and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese." -FZ

But what can you do when there is no real market for more serious music, and you gotta pay the bills? That's right, you move into the rock n roll industry with your tongue in cheek. You do it, and do it incredibly well, but you ain't gotta like it.

There's basically two operating Zappa personas. You have the comedy-rock for making satire of American culture (basking in the self-satisfied superiority he had as a artist while laughing at everyone)... and you have the more serious composer who truly enjoyed experimenting with very difficult stuff regardless of whether or not it sold (but it did, fortunately). But the comic element was almost always there, even when he wasn't lambasting something for being so stupid and dull.

"I’d say that the fundamental difference between Stevie Wonder and Zappa is that Wonder echoes nature’s sounds, and Zappa is more of a reactionary"

Didn't see that coming but I think I'll buy it. Interesting comparison. Frank greatly admired the soul of rhythm and blues and was actually raised on it, but his genius naturally forced him beyond those constraints and into more experimental environments. Wonder more or less kept to that general formula but absolutely expanded upon it... also moving into the more progressive, jazz fusion environment. Ever heard Contusion? Steve put his foot down on this one, man. I swear something hit all the great artists in the middle of the seventies like all of a sudden. A solar flare or magnetic shift of the erf maybe, I dunno, but shit got really, really good almost over night.

Also check out 'Too High' and 'Superwoman' by Wonder, as well, if you haven't heard them.
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This here song might offend you some...

https://youtu.be/iOhVbjsxlH0
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:23 am
seeds wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:02 pm _______

Yuja Wang - Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No 2 in C minor Op.18

https://youtu.be/oD5pqlDPCHc

As I said in the YouTube comment section:
"Yuja Wang is probably one of the reasons why God doesn't wipe humanity out and start all over again from scratch. It would take too long to evolve a new batch of beings to the point where such musical perfection would be possible again."
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You can barely hear her playing for much of it so what makes her playing here so special to you?

Is it better than this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AvRfs8 ... =musicanth
First off, anyone who can play a song like that with the virtuosity of Yuja or the guy you linked to (Richter) are not of this world.

Secondly, I have it hooked up to an external stereo system and the overall sound of Yuja's performance and the orchestra is way better, not to mention that amazing setting (but the other is a much older recording, so there's that).

Both are great.

It's just that I've been following Yuja's playing for several years now and everything she does, blows me away.
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seeds wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:20 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:23 am
seeds wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:02 pm _______

Yuja Wang - Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No 2 in C minor Op.18

https://youtu.be/oD5pqlDPCHc

As I said in the YouTube comment section:


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You can barely hear her playing for much of it so what makes her playing here so special to you?

Is it better than this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AvRfs8 ... =musicanth
First off, anyone who can play a song like that with the virtuosity of Yuja or the guy you linked to (Richter) are not of this world.

Secondly, I have it hooked up to an external stereo system and the overall sound of Yuja's performance and the orchestra is way better, not to mention that amazing setting (but the other is a much older recording, so there's that).

Both are great.

It's just that I've been following Yuja's playing for several years now and everything she does, blows me away.
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'Not of this world' is a bit dramatic. They just practiced a lot. Richter is accepted as being one of the greatest pianists. I doubt if Yuja is. Just listen to the tone he gets in the bass notes and the way he keeps turning up the volume without getting 'jarring' in any way. Oh, that's right, she's the one who feels that she has to play half naked to attract audiences :lol: I doubt if Richter needed to do that.
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"I doubt if Richter needed to do that."

And thank god that he didn't, for what could be more offensive than seeing a half naked man playing a piano.

It's all to bourgeois for my tastes, tho. Classical pianists in expensive attire sitting underneath chandeliers lingering their hands above the keys to express the delicate and sensitive space between the chordings in the piece, are so deep they aren't even shallow. I see and hear nothing but a gratuitous exercise in hyperbole if I can stay awake long enough to even notice it.

In any case, on the matter of female Asian pianists, I prefer that they be kung-fu world champions... and smile at me like the impatient but respectful female host at the Chinese restaurant who's waiting for me to decide which booth I'd like in the non-smoking section.

https://youtu.be/rk7_dXIKt0Y
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promethean75 wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:31 pm This here song might offend you some...

https://youtu.be/iOhVbjsxlH0
Cosmik Debris is a message to the wokie hustle and the easily spottable variants, and easy on the ears …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtx4ZJ1cwI0
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Yeah I guess you could make that association to some extent. But as a militant atheist he was especially critical of the wave of new age philosophy, spirituality and evangelism that grew out of the sixties and took over the seventies. From incense wielding hippies to cult gurus to TV evangelists to L. Ron 'Hoover', none of them were safe from studio Z.

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Now one could say that the entire theme of this long running criticism is best captured and developed in 'The Adventures of Greggery Peccary', a conceptual work he wrote in the meantime while off tour and bound to a wheel chair (some guy pushed him off stage and into the orchestra pit). It wasn't put fully together until a couple years later. But this is the cream right here...

https://youtu.be/aymj5wcIhiY
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promethean75 wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:13 am "I doubt if Richter needed to do that."

And thank god that he didn't, for what could be more offensive than seeing a half naked man playing a piano.

It's all to bourgeois for my tastes, tho. Classical pianists in expensive attire sitting underneath chandeliers lingering their hands above the keys to express the delicate and sensitive space between the chordings in the piece, are so deep they aren't even shallow. I see and hear nothing but a gratuitous exercise in hyperbole if I can stay awake long enough to even notice it.

In any case, on the matter of female Asian pianists, I prefer that they be kung-fu world champions... and smile at me like the impatient but respectful female host at the Chinese restaurant who's waiting for me to decide which booth I'd like in the non-smoking section.

https://youtu.be/rk7_dXIKt0Y
I think you are confusing Richter with Liberace or Richard Clayderman.
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Lol I'm searching for songs with 'grace' in the title and after the grace slick song (they were totally out of their element btw. That's what happens when a rock band tries to do a Spanish acoustic piece), I find di meola's 'passion, grace and fire', which couldn't be bettered titled... and THEN on the di meola list I find this one... which I totally forgot about.

Now tell me you don't picture two white guy detectives with moustaches and plaid shirts flying down the highway in a 77 Chrysler with one of those single bulb magnet police lights stuck on the driver's side roof. Tell me you don't. I dare you.

Damn I had forgotten what a fuckin jam this song was. I haven't listened to this in twenty years, easy. Di meola is such a show-off tho.

https://youtu.be/b0aMCpRZPZE
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promethean75 wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:47 pm
https://youtu.be/b0aMCpRZPZE
What a pile of ear-raping shit.
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