aesthetics isn't really philosophy

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aesthetics isn't really philosophy

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All "spiritual" things are contingent (as oppressed to the truth - what is). The contingencies are salience, perspective, and priority. Salience is beyond our control and is the proper really of psychology, not philosophy. Aesthetics is primarily salience - how much we like something. There are a few, and i dare say a tiny few, meaningful questions in aesthetics, like What are the divisions between definitions of art? and, What is the difference between beauty and hotness, but they're semantic questions, empirical ones, not philosopy per-se; they are What effects us most deeply and why? or How do we use the words?, each of which can be measured, neither of which is derivable by logic.
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Advocate wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:11 pm All "spiritual" things are contingent (as oppressed to the truth - what is). The contingencies are salience, perspective, and priority. Salience is beyond our control and is the proper really of psychology, not philosophy. Aesthetics is primarily salience - how much we like something. There are a few, and i dare say a tiny few, meaningful questions in aesthetics, like What are the divisions between definitions of art? and, What is the difference between beauty and hotness, but they're semantic questions, empirical ones, not philosopy per-se; they are What effects us most deeply and why? or How do we use the words?, each of which can be measured.























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Philosophy is a subject which requires aesthetics, but aesthetics (as words on a page) is something to behold, not as much to be understood (or taken for granted).
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Advocate wrote
All "spiritual" things are contingent (as oppressed to the truth - what is). The contingencies are salience, perspective, and priority. Salience is beyond our control and is the proper really of psychology, not philosophy. Aesthetics is primarily salience - how much we like something. There are a few, and i dare say a tiny few, meaningful questions in aesthetics, like What are the divisions between definitions of art? and, What is the difference between beauty and hotness, but they're semantic questions, empirical ones, not philosopy per-se; they are What effects us most deeply and why? or How do we use the words?, each of which can be measured, neither of which is derivable by logic.
Aesthetics deals with value, and there is no more suitable matter for philosophy. It is far more what philosophy should be about than any other of its categories, for value is where philosophy meets its end, that is, the final inquiry after which there are no more. It is :first "philosophy" along with ethics. Both ethics and aesthetics are the principle concerns of philosophy. All else beg the aesthetic question: why bother?
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All "spiritual" things are contingent (as oppressed to the truth - what is). The contingencies are salience, perspective, and priority. Salience is beyond our control and is the proper really of psychology, not philosophy. Aesthetics is primarily salience - how much we like something. There are a few, and i dare say a tiny few, meaningful questions in aesthetics, like What are the divisions between definitions of art? and, What is the difference between beauty and hotness, but they're semantic questions, empirical ones, not philosopy per-se; they are What effects us most deeply and why? or How do we use the words?, each of which can be measured, neither of which is derivable by logic.[/quote]
Aesthetics deals with value, and there is no more suitable matter for philosophy. It is far more what philosophy should be about than any other of its categories, for value is where philosophy meets its end, that is, the final inquiry after which there are no more. It is :first "philosophy" along with ethics. Both ethics and aesthetics are the principle concerns of philosophy. All else beg the aesthetic question: why bother?
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Aesthetics isn't about value in a reasoned way, it's about value in a felt way. It's animalistic and the furthest thing from philosophy in philosophy. As has been recognised all the way back to Aristotle arguing about poetry. It's a distraction from all the values that actually matter - the ones based on using our outer/human brains, not our lizard brain and monkey brain.
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value in a felt way...

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