Art and truth

What is art? What is beauty?

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Belinda
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Re: Art and truth

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Nick_A wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:59 pm
Belinda wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:57 pm
Nick_A wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:54 am

Fur elise was written for a woman who I believe rejected him. It may be wonderful expression but written for pragmatic purpose. Nothing rational about this so why call intense emotional need art rather than expression?
'Art' usually and popularly applies to expressive artefacts, but it did not always do so. The expression of individuals' feelings is a social trend that began to make itself felt in late 18th century Europe.
Beethoven was an exponent of the expressive in music. Elise was a shy and modest young woman and 'Fur Elise' is a musical description of her personality. Beethoven is listed as one of the great Romantic composers.
That is an essential question: is romantic expression art or just expression? I don't believe it isart since by definition it is illusion. There is no communication of human value which can be remembered..
Please note I wrote 'Romantic' with a capital R. It's very very unlikely that leading and established historians are deluded that there was an identifiable movement in art and thought at a recognisable period in European history.
Nick_A
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Science is the communication of intellectual facts. Art is the communication of emotional values.
"He who has Art and Science also has religion, But those who do not have them better have Religion ... Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ..
How true.
Belinda
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:08 pm Science is the communication of intellectual facts. Art is the communication of emotional values.
"He who has Art and Science also has religion, But those who do not have them better have Religion ... Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ..
How true.
If a man lacks art and science he is ignorant so he reacts to unrefined emotions. Religion at least keeps him under the control of a regimen.
Nick_A
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Belinda wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:58 pm
Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:08 pm Science is the communication of intellectual facts. Art is the communication of emotional values.
"He who has Art and Science also has religion, But those who do not have them better have Religion ... Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ..
How true.
If a man lacks art and science he is ignorant so he reacts to unrefined emotions. Religion at least keeps him under the control of a regimen.
That may be the purpose of the exoteric secular expressions of religions but the esoteric awakening aims of religion make good use of both science and art
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He who has Art and Science also has religion, But those who do not have them better have Religion. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
It would have been nice of Goethe to expound on a such a useless, meaningless statement causing it to be a little less useless. Goethe was indeed a great poet as well as an equally great dissembler nowhere near as wise as he's usually made out to be.
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