Imagination, Art and Formlessness

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Eodnhoj7
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Imagination, Art and Formlessness

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Imagination is the giving of image to the formless aspect of being in an effort to control it by establishing borders around it. Part of the nature of mental illness is a deification of imagined realities at the expense of acknowledging the power of subtlety and formlessness.

The monks of old had a simple peace of advice when meditating: imagine nothing and focus intently on the words of the prayer? Why? Words alone give symbolic definition and any excess of imaging places an extreme emphasis on the power of form over the power of formlessness.

Reality is fundamentally formless when given thought too as all images are merely formless given limit. What accounts for the confusion of complexity is a myriad of images which stifle any true thought under the gravity of symbols each with their own respective interpretations.

Intelligence is derived from pattern recognition/application. The problem occurs that intelligence can be rooted in a strictly linear progressive manner of interpretation as one symbol projects to another at the expense of meaning, thus with too much knowledge nothing is known.

We strive as successful and failed artists to give boundary to being. Part of it is egotistical in an effort to control the unknowable, the other part is a complete absence of ego through a personal sacrifice to bring order out of nothingness. That which exists has truth value.

The problem with art, especially writing, is that you are only good if someone tells you "you are good", the artist is at the mercy of public whim as the artist produces what is heartfelt with little to no judgement as to what is created. To the artist "if it exists it is good."

An artist of any nature, loses him or herself to a flow of being which suppresses all judgment for but a moment in order to create a paradox of actually knowing something to the core for that same brief moment. Art is momentary thus monumental in momentum.

Nihilism results when the vanity of being is taken to one extreme without also acknowledging that vanity is vain as well. It is this regress of images that leads to disillusionment at the expense of beautiful simplicity. That which is simple is often times the most meaningful.
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Re: Imagination, Art and Formlessness

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:03 am Imagination is the giving of image to the formless aspect of being in an effort to control it by establishing borders around it. Part of the nature of mental illness is a deification of imagined realities at the expense of acknowledging the power of subtlety and formlessness.

The monks of old had a simple peace of advice when meditating: imagine nothing and focus intently on the words of the prayer? Why? Words alone give symbolic definition and any excess of imaging places an extreme emphasis on the power of form over the power of formlessness.

Reality is fundamentally formless when given thought too as all images are merely formless given limit. What accounts for the confusion of complexity is a myriad of images which stifle any true thought under the gravity of symbols each with their own respective interpretations.

Intelligence is derived from pattern recognition/application. The problem occurs that intelligence can be rooted in a strictly linear progressive manner of interpretation as one symbol projects to another at the expense of meaning, thus with too much knowledge nothing is known.

We strive as successful and failed artists to give boundary to being. Part of it is egotistical in an effort to control the unknowable, the other part is a complete absence of ego through a personal sacrifice to bring order out of nothingness. That which exists has truth value.

The problem with art, especially writing, is that you are only good if someone tells you "you are good", the artist is at the mercy of public whim as the artist produces what is heartfelt with little to no judgement as to what is created. To the artist "if it exists it is good."

An artist of any nature, loses him or herself to a flow of being which suppresses all judgment for but a moment in order to create a paradox of actually knowing something to the core for that same brief moment. Art is momentary thus monumental in momentum.

Nihilism results when the vanity of being is taken to one extreme without also acknowledging that vanity is vain as well. It is this regress of images that leads to disillusionment at the expense of beautiful simplicity. That which is simple is often times the most meaningful.
Michelangelo is famous for saying that he worked to liberate the forms imprisoned in the marble. He saw his job as simply removing what was extraneous. This endless struggle of man to free himself from his physical constraints is a metaphor of the flesh burdening the soul.
IYO did michelangelo feel an idea within the marble he could reveal through his talent or is the object the result of pure imagination? I often wondered if both were possible given the right conditions.?
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Re: Imagination, Art and Formlessness

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:03 am The monks of old had a simple peace of advice when meditating: imagine nothing and focus intently on the words of the prayer? Why? Words alone give symbolic definition and any excess of imaging places an extreme emphasis on the power of form over the power of formlessness.
Sometimes, perhaps, Generally the advice is not to imagine any form or shape, and this would include words and numbers. For obvious reasons formlessness requires that we leave behind words.
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