philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

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philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by JasonPalmer » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:09 am

I often meet philosophy graduates who work in dead end jobs with much repetitive and mind numbing work, it seems that a degree in philosophy is not much use, apart from to teach it, but those jobs are less and less.

Having developed the mind, it is then crushed by the capitalist systems desire for specialisation and skills.

so.....read the magazine but forget doing it for a living ?

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by JasonPalmer » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:10 am

support university philosopher lecturers

ruin yer life

do a degree in philosophy

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by JasonPalmer » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:14 am

is the teaching of philosophy morally wrong ?

should it be restricted to rich people, studying at top,elite, universities ?

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by chaz wyman » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:44 pm

One of the things we can learn by thinking in philosophical ways is that 'having a career', "success in business', may be much less important to many people than living an engaged life.
Obviously one has to work to live, but few jobs give you the licence to think.
A mundane repetitive task should not be a burden on a good mind, as a good mind can provide itself with all the entertainment it needs simply by thinking.

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by puto » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:29 pm

Chaz, oh my God! Do you have any hint about what you are writing :?: :idea: Study some philosophy. :idea:


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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by duszek » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:46 pm

You could look at it the other way round: stonemasons (like Socrates) or doctors (like Aristotle) should think about thinking and knowledge and talk about it with family and friends at supper or breakfast.

Philosophy for everyone !

:D

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by JasonPalmer » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:39 am

I thought socrates was very poor, due to lack of charging ?

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by The Voice of Time » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:54 pm

I think we must agree that all thoughts are quite valueless until they can be attached "to something". We are like artists who are quite poor until we somewhat get picked up by something *really* liking us, and who got cash and stuff.

There exists a fine balance of course between making valueless thoughts and doing a bit of service for something: the distinction between interacting and staying out of system of affairs; capitalism, family-life etc.

If we just sit and think there's nobody to take care of the children, nobody to work etc. But that shouldn't stop us from taking our spare time doing so, and enjoying it. But I agree also beyond that, family and money, that the thoughts themselves can be deceiving because many philosophical thoughts are awfully destructive or deceivingly time-leechy and even if you do not care about anyone else but yourself or you simply care only or mostly for a group of people you can still pull yourself and/or that group down into deep shit if you don't take your time to think simple thoughts through instead of adopting them instantly as if they are religious enlightenments.

I know all about it, been called a megalomaniac myself, and it puts things into perspective: how important is that thing really? And if it doesn't remove all your attention and focus away from it, at least it smooths the thinking a bit and doesn't over-empathize worthless thoughts.

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:24 pm

JasonPalmer wrote:I often meet philosophy graduates who work in dead end jobs with much repetitive and mind numbing work, it seems that a degree in philosophy is not much use,
This is a perspective of value based upon the hoarding of that which another wants as if it has any universal importance.
apart from to teach it,
I see that keeping the knowing and understanding is much more important than selling it.
but those jobs are less and less.
What an ugly word, job is!

Having developed the mind,
Awesome, priceless!
it is then crushed by the capitalist systems desire for specialisation and skills.
What if there was a war and no one showed up?

so.....read the magazine but forget doing it for a living ?
Because within philosophy is the only true living! Now that you've built your foundation of truth as much as it can be understood, You can concern yourself with living, not of mans rules, but by those that are based in the truth of the existence, without mans absurd unknowing notions.

Edit: Punctuation.
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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:27 pm

chaz wyman wrote:One of the things we can learn by thinking in philosophical ways is that 'having a career', "success in business', may be much less important to many people than living an engaged life.
Obviously one has to work to live, but few jobs give you the licence to think.
A mundane repetitive task should not be a burden on a good mind, as a good mind can provide itself with all the entertainment it needs simply by thinking.
I find it hard to believe that you actually agree with 'me' for once!

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:53 pm

JasonPalmer wrote:I often meet philosophy graduates who work in dead end jobs with much repetitive and mind numbing work, it seems that a degree in philosophy is not much use, apart from to teach it, but those jobs are less and less.

Having developed the mind, it is then crushed by the capitalist systems desire for specialisation and skills.

so.....read the magazine but forget doing it for a living ?
Whoever said Philosophy gets you a job? When I did my degree many decades ago the joke was "What do you say to a Philosopher with a job? Big Muck, large fries please!"

You might as well say Mathematics drives you mad as I've often met many high flying maths students who have had breakdowns.

Having said that I think you are the victim of selective bias as many politicians and administrators have PPE's or Philosophy degrees. Many philosophers find work in Marketing, Advertising, Finance, Publishing, Teaching, etc, as it provides an agile and flexible mind, the ability to work to deadlines, quick to grasp concepts and highly analytic, add a high degree of literacy and you have a soft-skill set that many capitalist employers value. Of course you normally have to nip-off and get a few qualifications in the subject relevant to the field you wish to work in but again a good Philosophy honours degree makes this quite possible.

Again having said that I do understand what you mean as Philosophers can also be very hard to manage as they dislike doing stuff thats obviously flawed, i.e. waffle-speak meetings, pointless processes that can obviously be improved, etc. So 'dead-end', 'mindless' jobs can be attractive as at least they are simple and the processes cannot be improved. Which leaves time for consideration of the BIG questions. :)

Personally I liked and like Philosophy for the fact that life gives ones the expereinces whereby one can test whether what the philosophers have said holds. That and that it'll give me something to think about in my 'dead-end' job and dotage. Although I question your value system with the idea of 'dead-end jobs'? If you think this then you should not be thinking about philosophy but doing maths and economics or business studies or starting your own business and being an entrepreneur( the French have no word for this according to GW Bush :lol: ), as I assume you mean jobs that make money and fit with the capitalist system.

If not then I'd have thought Philosophy offers another route in life, i.e. that of the radical who wishes to change society and produce the new utopia or dystopia, takes your pick, as if theres one thing Philosophy has shown its that you can change the world with a small book and a lot of passion.

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by chaz wyman » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:03 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:One of the things we can learn by thinking in philosophical ways is that 'having a career', "success in business', may be much less important to many people than living an engaged life.
Obviously one has to work to live, but few jobs give you the licence to think.
A mundane repetitive task should not be a burden on a good mind, as a good mind can provide itself with all the entertainment it needs simply by thinking.
I find it hard to believe that you actually agree with 'me' for once!
I don't agree with 'you'. It seems you are agreeing with 'me'. I have no idea what your opinion on this matter is, as I don't generally read your posts anymore.

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:16 pm

chaz wyman wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:One of the things we can learn by thinking in philosophical ways is that 'having a career', "success in business', may be much less important to many people than living an engaged life.
Obviously one has to work to live, but few jobs give you the licence to think.
A mundane repetitive task should not be a burden on a good mind, as a good mind can provide itself with all the entertainment it needs simply by thinking.
I find it hard to believe that you actually agree with 'me' for once!
I don't agree with 'you'. It seems you are agreeing with 'me'. I have no idea what your opinion on this matter is, as I don't generally read your posts anymore.
Again, I've just provided you with a mirror image. I baited you, knowing full well how you'd respond, you're textbook! I just took notice, understanding your absurdity, and moved on. But not you, you've just got to comment, a sure sign of a megalomaniac if I ever saw one. The fact of the universe centering around you was disproved with Copernicus, where have you been, oh yeah, stroking yourself no doubt!

I can't believe you actually called a high school'ers mental capacity into question, there's no way you're in your 60's, you're a fucking child and a spoiled one at that! Grow up boy! Obviously she's more mature that your fucking ass, which always shows. It was probably you that caused her to think of the thread in the first place, what a wanker you are!

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Re: philosophy destroys lives - think with caution

Post by chaz wyman » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:44 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote: I find it hard to believe that you actually agree with 'me' for once!
I don't agree with 'you'. It seems you are agreeing with 'me'. I have no idea what your opinion on this matter is, as I don't generally read your posts anymore.
Again, I've just provided you with a mirror image. I baited you, knowing full well how you'd respond, you're textbook! I just took notice, understanding your absurdity, and moved on. But not you, you've just got to comment, a sure sign of a megalomaniac if I ever saw one. The fact of the universe centering around you was disproved with Copernicus, where have you been, oh yeah, stroking yourself no doubt!

I can't believe you actually called a high school'ers mental capacity into question, there's no way you're in your 60's, you're a fucking child and a spoiled one at that! Grow up boy! Obviously she's more mature that your fucking ass, which always shows. It was probably you that caused her to think of the thread in the first place, what a wanker you are!
Ooooooooohhh, temper, temper!!

Consider yourself baited.

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