artisticsolution wrote:C:Wootah is not stating his own personal preference but the preference of tradition.
AS: How do you know this? What I mean is, you can't know if wootah explored the same avenues that you explored or had the same thoughts. You cannot know what wootah knows, even if wootah tells you what he knows, you might not be able to understand him...and visa versa. You do not know if Wootah dared to think "otherwise" and then came to the conclusion "otherwise" was not all that, and that traditional values were better.
Prove me wrong!
C:I dare to un-think.
AS: Is this the same as typists "aphilosophy"?
Nope. It is what the best philosophy has always been
AS: It tells us only that you "believe" that your source of enlightenment is better than Wootahs.
C:It tells you nothing whatever about what I believe.
AS: Well at least this thought is a little more interesting if you mean it. So tell me, are you saying that you think wootah's enlightenment is better than yours or the same?
`Do you want to review this sentence?
AS: Where did I lose you?
You got lost, not me. Look back!
C:Saying; "Much of my transformation and ability to preservere I attribute to Jesus."Is an idiotic statement. My grandmother was real. I know who my grandmother was, I have evidence that she existed. All the other things that I am thankful for I can point to. If that is not good enough for you then okay, that is your problem, but don't give me the "same old, same old" shit. Because that is just a reflection of your lack of ability to make any value judgement between fantasy and reality.
Not my problem.
AS: So you are saying that Jesus was not real?
No real to Wootah as my grandmother was to me, obviously.
Are you confusing Jesus with God?
Nope. You are confusing a real person who held me on her knee and loved me, with a church advertising campaign.
I think history shows there was a man named Jesus who actually lived.
No relevant. Does history show that Jesu knew and helped and nurtured Wootah?
If you do not believe there was a man named jesus who lived and died then what reason do you have to believe any other book written by a human?
Not relevant. You are being silly.
What reason do you have to believe that Socrates lived and said things? Or Caesar? or anyone else in history who you did not personally know?
I do not give Socrates credit for my upbringing. I'm not disputing that Jesus might have been a historical character.
Do you REALLY what to pursue this ridiculous line of questioning?
Or can you not separate the two (God and Jesus) for the sake of debate?
I'll add just one more thing.
Wootah's attributing his welfare and work ethic to Jesus, is not only idiotic, but it is a serious insult to those real people in his life that have contributed to his being and to those he REALLY has to thank. This is horrific and inhuman.
If you cannot draw a distinction between real people whom you have shared your life, and some ancient pop star then I feel sorry for you.