YOU are Abrahamic

[attofishpi]

Oh, absolutely.

If you have an address, I have loads of buddies (with tons of free will) that are so bored they'd love to kill a stupid kunt like you.

Your Ego is under attack, which is why you feel this way.

You need to settle on what I've said to you. Take some time, patience, let it settle. Consider why you react as you do.

It's not "Science" that I'm taking away from you. So what is it?

..ah let me think.

..give me time, I think I know what the answer might be (totally non scientific - if there ever is such a thing!)

Give me a clue Mr KKK please!

[Wizard22]

..ah let me think.

..give me time, I think I know what the answer might be (totally non scientific - if there ever is such a thing!)

Give me a clue Mr KKK please!

Consider what you identify with in the OP.

Consider which part threatens your existence to warrant Murder.

Consider what you will die for, in order to protect. Consider Whom.

[Harbal]

Instead of Faith in God, you have Faith in Science.

Instead of The Church, you have The State.

Instead of "Trust the Priest/Rabbi/Imam", you have "Trust the Experts".

Instead of Creationism, you have The Big Bang.

Instead of Fall from Providence, you have Systemic Oppression.

Instead of Manifest Destiny, you have Determinism.



So I have to ask you self-proclaimed "Atheists", "Agnostics", "Secularists", "Humanists", where exactly is your hypothetical Philosophy? Where are you different than those "religious zealots" you presume to be so much better than, superior to? How is your ideology any different, when your self-proclaimed, proud beliefs, are the exact same pattern?

Are you still not a mind-slave of Catholic Rome after 2000 years? Where is your Resistance? Where is your Freedom? Where are your "New" Ideas?

This is your Buck-Breaking from thousands of years ago: that your parents, grand-parents, great-grand-parents, g-g-g-parents, g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-parents succumbed to.

YOU are Abrahamic.

YOU have NO philosophy, no resistance, no original thoughts.

YOU are still Subject to those who have ruled above you for Millenniums now.

YOU have not...freed your mind.



You have never even touched Philosophy once in your short lives. So close...yet so far away.

So what are you saying here?

Abrahamic stupidity is better than secular stupidity?

[Wizard22]

So what are you saying here?

Abrahamic stupidity is better than secular stupidity?

Kind of.

It's better to be aware of the source of your ideology than deluded.

It's better to be a slave realizing s/he's a slave, than a slave unaware.



Because at least the former can actually acquire 'freedom'. The latter cannot, even if physically freed.

[Will Bouwman]

Instead of Faith in God, you have Faith in Science.

Drawing on an example in another thread; I don't have faith that a brick will fall down a well; I can watch it happen.

[Wizard22]

Drawing on an example in another thread; I don't have faith that a brick will fall down a well; I can watch it happen.

You can watch God happen too.

But this is a much more difficult proposition to prove than dropping a brick down the well. It's more like test detonating a nuclear bomb. It's difficult to setup and prove...not impossible though.

[Harbal]

So what are you saying here?

Abrahamic stupidity is better than secular stupidity?

Kind of.

It's better to be aware of the source of your ideology than deluded.

It's better to be a slave realizing s/he's a slave, than a slave unaware.



Because at least the former can actually acquire 'freedom'. The latter cannot, even if physically freed.

But when I, or anyone, reject religion, you just assume that I replace it with something else, and you also seem to assume what that something else is. All you know about me is that I have no use for religion, because I have told you so, but you don't know anything beyond that.

[Iwannaplato]

So what are you saying here?

Abrahamic stupidity is better than secular stupidity?

Kind of.

It's better to be aware of the source of your ideology than deluded.

Those are not mutually exclusive.

It's better to be a slave realizing s/he's a slave, than a slave unaware.

Yes, all those Abrahimists think they are slaves.

Because at least the former can actually acquire 'freedom'.

If they change their beliefs.

The latter cannot, even if physically freed.

And of course the category you've made up in the OP is very confused.

It's so easy for people here to divvy people up in the world into two groups and then give them a bunch of attributes.

It must be nice thinking the whole world is Coke or Pepsi, democrat or republican and so on.

Then if you know one thing about someone, you can just treat them as if you know everything.

[phyllo]

YOU have NO philosophy, no resistance, no original thoughts.

These are not your own original thoughts. You copied this from Satyr.

[Iwannaplato]

YOU have NO philosophy, no resistance, no original thoughts.

These are not your own original thoughts. You copied this from Satyr.

I had a similar, less specific reaction. I don't see Wizard having original thoughts. He may have them, but so far, he seems to be keeping them to himself.

[Wizard22]

But when I, or anyone, reject religion, you just assume that I replace it with something else, and you also seem to assume what that something else is. All you know about me is that I have no use for religion, because I have told you so, but you don't know anything beyond that.

I do know that you and no other Secularist has provided an 'Alternative' to Abrahamism.

Where is it? Where are the 'unique' beliefs which set you apart from them?

[Will Bouwman]

Drawing on an example in another thread; I don't have faith that a brick will fall down a well; I can watch it happen.

You can watch God happen too.

No. You can watch things happen and attribute them to God.

But this is a much more difficult proposition to prove than dropping a brick down the well. It's more like test detonating a nuclear bomb. It's difficult to setup and prove...not impossible though.

What conceivable experience could you have that could only be attributed to God?

[Wizard22]

And of course the category you've made up in the OP is very confused.

It's so easy for people here to divvy people up in the world into two groups and then give them a bunch of attributes.

It must be nice thinking the whole world is Coke or Pepsi, democrat or republican and so on.

Then if you know one thing about someone, you can just treat them as if you know everything.

You're missing the point.

Literally where are the "alternative" beliefs??? Where's the option, the choice?

Creationism or The Big Bang...how are they not the same thing, the same preposition?



You presume it yourself, a "choice" between coke and pepsi is not a choice, and I agree!

[Wizard22]

These are not your own original thoughts. You copied this from Satyr.

...pretty sure he hasn't said this. Can you quote him?

[Wizard22]

I had a similar, less specific reaction. I don't see Wizard having original thoughts. He may have them, but so far, he seems to be keeping them to himself.

Correct...I am not proposing an alternative here, only the possibility of one.

Why can't there be an alternative? Why can't we make a new choice?



How about instead of "God did it" and "The Big Bang", how about... NO beginning, NO end? Why not this simple hypothesis?