OF COURSE individually and sometimes, but collectively and generally NOT AT ALL REALLYGary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:56 pmDo "adult human beings" ever do anything to help children live better lives?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:33 pmYesGary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:05 pm
1. Is this what you were/are saying or meaning in your statements above?VERY REMARKABLY DIFFERENT.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:05 pm 2. And if so, how remarkably different is your clarification above from the way I interpreted your remark prior to this clarification?
you wrote:
literally saying "if it weren't for you all, life would be wonderful for me right now".
1. 'me' is NOT 'children'.
2. 'wonderful' is NOT 'better', NOR 'much better'.
3. you even USED the 'literally' word here, which MAKES the ACTUAL DIFFERENCES above even MORE REMARKABLE.YES.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:05 pm 3. Do you think the statement you made (bolded and enlarged above) is entirely 100% true?
MootGary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:05 pm And if it is not 100% true, does that make you somehow remarkably better or more enlightened than the rest of us or behaving remarkably better or in a more enlightened way than the rest of us?
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If all adult human beings suddenly died tomorrow, would the world be a better place for children?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:01 pmOF COURSE individually and sometimes, but collectively and generally NOT AT ALL REALLYGary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:56 pmDo "adult human beings" ever do anything to help children live better lives?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:33 pm
Yes
VERY REMARKABLY DIFFERENT.
you wrote:
literally saying "if it weren't for you all, life would be wonderful for me right now".
1. 'me' is NOT 'children'.
2. 'wonderful' is NOT 'better', NOR 'much better'.
3. you even USED the 'literally' word here, which MAKES the ACTUAL DIFFERENCES above even MORE REMARKABLE.
YES.
Moot
If adults help children "sometimes", does it also follow that adults "collectively and generally" don't help children "at all"?
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That would depend on how quickly the children could rid "themselves" of and overcome the harm and damage that had been done to 'them' and which was bestowed upon 'them'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:05 pmIf all adult human beings suddenly died tomorrow, would the world be a better place for children?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:01 pmOF COURSE individually and sometimes, but collectively and generally NOT AT ALL REALLYGary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:56 pm
Do "adult human beings" ever do anything to help children live better lives?
If, for example, an adult informs a child/ren that lying is Wrong, then 'this' is helping ' then'. However, if that same adult then lies in front of that child/ren, then 'this' is NOT helping AT ALL, and can ACTUALLY cause MORE HARM and DAMAGE, and thus being REALLY UNHELPFUL.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:05 pm Also, if adults help children "sometimes", does it also follow that adults "collectively and generally" don't help children "at all"?
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1. Is it wrong to lie?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:18 pmThat would depend on how quickly the children could rid "themselves" of and overcome the harm and damage that had been done to 'them' and which was bestowed upon 'them'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:05 pmIf all adult human beings suddenly died tomorrow, would the world be a better place for children?If, for example, an adult informs a child/ren that lying is Wrong, then 'this' is helping ' then'. However, if that same adult then lies in front of that child/ren, then 'this' is NOT helping AT ALL, and can ACTUALLY cause MORE HARM and DAMAGE, and thus being REALLY UNHELPFUL.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:05 pm Also, if adults help children "sometimes", does it also follow that adults "collectively and generally" don't help children "at all"?
2. Have you ever lied?
3. Have you ever lied when a child was present to hear it?
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In any case, Age. I'm sure you have your reasons for the way you are. Can we all improve, my guess is yes we can.
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YesGary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:21 pm1. Is it wrong to lie?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:18 pmThat would depend on how quickly the children could rid "themselves" of and overcome the harm and damage that had been done to 'them' and which was bestowed upon 'them'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:05 pm
If all adult human beings suddenly died tomorrow, would the world be a better place for children?If, for example, an adult informs a child/ren that lying is Wrong, then 'this' is helping ' then'. However, if that same adult then lies in front of that child/ren, then 'this' is NOT helping AT ALL, and can ACTUALLY cause MORE HARM and DAMAGE, and thus being REALLY UNHELPFUL.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:05 pm Also, if adults help children "sometimes", does it also follow that adults "collectively and generally" don't help children "at all"?
2. Have you ever lied?
3. Have you ever lied when a child was present to hear it?
Yes
Yes
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REALLY, is 'this' ONLY A 'guess'?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:54 pm In any case, Age. I'm sure you have your reasons for the way you are. Can we all improve, my guess is yes we can.
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Yes.Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:59 pmREALLY, is 'this' ONLY A 'guess'?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:54 pm In any case, Age. I'm sure you have your reasons for the way you are. Can we all improve, my guess is yes we can.
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And here is MORE PROOF of WHY 'this' took SO LONG to EVENTUATE.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 2:09 pmYes.Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:59 pmREALLY, is 'this' ONLY A 'guess'?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 1:54 pm In any case, Age. I'm sure you have your reasons for the way you are. Can we all improve, my guess is yes we can.
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"Proof"? Is this some sort of trial? And if so, which one of us is on trial right now? Or are both of us?
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Here we have MORE PROOF of WHY 'this' took SO LONG. INSTEAD OF BEING OPEN, this one here SEES 'things' here FROM A JUDGMENTAL, CRIME and/or PUNISHMENT perspective. Which could NOT ANY FURTHER FROM THE ACTUAL Truth here.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:09 pm"Proof"? Is this some sort of trial? And if so, which one of us is on trial right now? Or are both of us?
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When you say, "this one" are you referring to me or do you mean "this" as a self-reference?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:15 pmHere we have MORE PROOF of WHY 'this' took SO LONG. INSTEAD OF BEING OPEN, this one here SEES 'things' here FROM A JUDGMENTAL, CRIME and/or PUNISHMENT perspective. Which could NOT ANY FURTHER FROM THE ACTUAL Truth here.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:09 pm"Proof"? Is this some sort of trial? And if so, which one of us is on trial right now? Or are both of us?
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I meant and mean 'you', "gary childress".Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:41 pmWhen you say, "this one" are you referring to me or do you mean "this" as a self-reference?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:15 pmHere we have MORE PROOF of WHY 'this' took SO LONG. INSTEAD OF BEING OPEN, this one here SEES 'things' here FROM A JUDGMENTAL, CRIME and/or PUNISHMENT perspective. Which could NOT ANY FURTHER FROM THE ACTUAL Truth here.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:09 pm
"Proof"? Is this some sort of trial? And if so, which one of us is on trial right now? Or are both of us?
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1. What do you mean by "open"?Age wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 5:12 pmI meant and mean 'you', "gary childress".Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 3:41 pmWhen you say, "this one" are you referring to me or do you mean "this" as a self-reference?
2. What makes you say I am not "open"?
3. Do you think it is wrong for me to see things from a judgmental, crime or punishment perspective?
4. If it is the case that I am wrong to see things that way, how should I see things instead?