Ever wondered where MONEY comes from?

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attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:35 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:40 pm
I'm not in the mood right now to read all of that, but I see a statement that "money is nothing"...not sure what context that is being implied...but do you agree with that?
Yes, but with nuance.
Money is like God. It dos not really exist, but it seems to exist as long as people believe it exists.
Well, you knew I couldn't agree with that since I know God exists, and you merely believe that it doesn't.
Okay then Athena to the Greeks.

Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pmObviously there are special bit of paper and small bits of metal. They exist, but as anyone who has some discontinued currency, or who has witnessed the emergence of bit coin and similar, it is quite obvious that money only exists as a belief system.
No money is a tangible thing. It exists in many forms and can be used to purchase the effort that someone else has put into acheiving something, whether it be bringing some tomatoes to you in exchange for said money, or a service such as a tooth filling. (and of course MANY other things that fellow man has accumulated via their expenditure of time - effort)
No, paper and coin are tangible; but "money" is not. Money is represented by coin ,or just shit on a computer. But it is intanglible.

Try and pay for your groceries with Confederate dollars.
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:25 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:35 amNo money is a tangible thing. It exists in many forms and can be used to purchase the effort that someone else has put into acheiving something, whether it be bringing some tomatoes to you in exchange for said money, or a service such as a tooth filling. (and of course MANY other things that fellow man has accumulated via their expenditure of time - effort)
No, paer and coin are tangible; but "money" is not. Money is represented by coin ,or just shit on a computer. But it is intanglible.
No, money is tangible in whatever form it takes...whether an 8 bit representation of a number on a computer or a gold coin, makes no difference.

tangible
adjective

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced:

Sculptor wrote:Try and pay for your groceries with Confederate dollars.
Well that would be daft...the Confederate dollars might have some antique value making them way more valuable than a bag of groceries. :wink:
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:56 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:25 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:35 amNo money is a tangible thing. It exists in many forms and can be used to purchase the effort that someone else has put into acheiving something, whether it be bringing some tomatoes to you in exchange for said money, or a service such as a tooth filling. (and of course MANY other things that fellow man has accumulated via their expenditure of time - effort)
No, paer and coin are tangible; but "money" is not. Money is represented by coin ,or just shit on a computer. But it is intanglible.
No, money is tangible in whatever form it takes...whether an 8 bit representation of a number on a computer or a gold coin, makes no difference.

tangible
adjective

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced:

Sculptor wrote:Try and pay for your groceries with Confederate dollars.
Well that would be daft...the Confederate dollars might have some antique value making them way more valuable than a bag of groceries. :wink:
I have a ten trillion dollar note of Zimbawe. It cast £1.
It is tangible but has no exchange value.
I consider you rather stupid to not be able to make the distinction necessary to understand that money is not tangible.

The word "tangible" is an adjective that describes something that can be touched, felt, or perceived through the senses. It refers to things that are physically present and can be perceived by the human senses, such as objects or materials. For example, a book, a table, or a piece of clothing are all tangible objects because they can be touched, seen, or felt. In contrast, abstract concepts like emotions, ideas, or beliefs are intangible because they cannot be physically touched or perceived through the senses.

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Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:13 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:56 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:25 pm

No, paer and coin are tangible; but "money" is not. Money is represented by coin ,or just shit on a computer. But it is intanglible.
No, money is tangible in whatever form it takes...whether an 8 bit representation of a number on a computer or a gold coin, makes no difference.

tangible
adjective

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced:

Sculptor wrote:Try and pay for your groceries with Confederate dollars.
Well that would be daft...the Confederate dollars might have some antique value making them way more valuable than a bag of groceries. :wink:
I have a ten trillion dollar note of Zimbawe. It cast £1.
It is tangible but has no exchange value.
I consider you rather stupid to not be able to make the distinction necessary to understand that money is not tangible.

The word "tangible" is an adjective that describes something that can be touched, felt, or perceived through the senses. It refers to things that are physically present and can be perceived by the human senses, such as objects or materials. For example, a book, a table, or a piece of clothing are all tangible objects because they can be touched, seen, or felt. In contrast, abstract concepts like emotions, ideas, or beliefs are intangible because they cannot be physically touched or perceived through the senses.
Again, even a number on a computer screen representing a monetary value can be SEEN, thus is tangible.

Sculptor wrote:Conversation over.
Well, that's good because you are being daft. :D
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Agent Smith wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:34 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:14 pm
Agent Smith wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:55 pm

How unfortunate. Oh well.
How about getting a salary where you cannot spend ANY of it outside the corporation that you work for?
Oh, that's even worse.
You end up owing your soul to the company store.

Here's an interesting, related article concerning recent bank failures in the USA.

Bro-Bank Blues
https://www.city-journal.org/silicon-va ... s-to-blame
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Walker wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:38 am
Agent Smith wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:34 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:14 pm

How about getting a salary where you cannot spend ANY of it outside the corporation that you work for?
Oh, that's even worse.
You end up owing your soul to the company store.

Here's an interesting, related article concerning recent bank failures in the USA.

Bro-Bank Blues
https://www.city-journal.org/silicon-va ... s-to-blame
Will we never learn or is this a textbook case of fraud?
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:50 am
Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:13 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:56 pm

No, money is tangible in whatever form it takes...whether an 8 bit representation of a number on a computer or a gold coin, makes no difference.

tangible
adjective

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced:




Well that would be daft...the Confederate dollars might have some antique value making them way more valuable than a bag of groceries. :wink:
I have a ten trillion dollar note of Zimbawe. It cast £1.
It is tangible but has no exchange value.
I consider you rather stupid to not be able to make the distinction necessary to understand that money is not tangible.

The word "tangible" is an adjective that describes something that can be touched, felt, or perceived through the senses. It refers to things that are physically present and can be perceived by the human senses, such as objects or materials. For example, a book, a table, or a piece of clothing are all tangible objects because they can be touched, seen, or felt. In contrast, abstract concepts like emotions, ideas, or beliefs are intangible because they cannot be physically touched or perceived through the senses.
Again, even a number on a computer screen representing a monetary value can be SEEN, thus is tangible.

Sculptor wrote:Conversation over.
Well, that's good because you are being daft. :D
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Sculptor wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:55 am
attofishpi wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:50 am
Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:13 pm

I have a ten trillion dollar note of Zimbawe. It cast £1.
It is tangible but has no exchange value.
I consider you rather stupid to not be able to make the distinction necessary to understand that money is not tangible.

The word "tangible" is an adjective that describes something that can be touched, felt, or perceived through the senses. It refers to things that are physically present and can be perceived by the human senses, such as objects or materials. For example, a book, a table, or a piece of clothing are all tangible objects because they can be touched, seen, or felt. In contrast, abstract concepts like emotions, ideas, or beliefs are intangible because they cannot be physically touched or perceived through the senses.
Again, even a number on a computer screen representing a monetary value can be SEEN, thus is tangible.

Sculptor wrote:Conversation over.
Well, that's good because you are being daft. :D
COnversation over
Are you sure? :wink:
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