Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:16 am
Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:53 pm
Evolution is not a process with an end result in mind.
And you KNOW this HOW.
I don't know it. In my understanding of how evolution works, it is not a teleological process, it has no predetermined end result.
Also, has ANY one SAID otherwise?
I think some people do believe that evolution has a predetermined goal, so I suppose some of them will have said otherwise.
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Evolution doesn't have a mind.
And NEITHER do you human beings, but a LOT of 'you', adult human beings, KEEP TELLING and INFORMING me that 'you' do.
To say that human beings don't have minds seems an odd thing to say. I don't know why you said it, or if it is relevant to our conversation.
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Natural selection gradually moulds a species to best thrive in its environment.
What do you mean by 'its environment'?
I mean the habitat in which a creature lives.
Are there as MANY 'environments' are there as there are 'its'?
I don't think so.
Will you list some of these DIFFERENT 'environments' that you speak of here?
Forest, ocean, river, under a rock.
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Human beings do change their environment,
What do you ACTUALLY MEAN by 'their environment'?
I mean the physical place where they live. And by, "change their environment", I mean, for example, chop down trees in order to create fields.
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: and while natural selection is what brought about our ability and tendency to do that, it didn't do it as part of a plan.
AGAIN, and you KNOW this HOW, EXACTLY?
Also, is this just what you BELIEVE is true, or what you KNOW, without ANY IRREFUTABLE DOUBT, is an ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth?
Or, is there some 'thing' else 'at play' here?
It is just my own understanding of how evolution works, and I am not aware of anything else "at play".
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Evolution made us adaptable, but it didn't make us able to function optimally in absolutely any conditions, and it didn't programme us with a fail safe that prevents us from creating a physical and social environment that forces us to behave in ways that clash and conflict with aspects of our nature that became set when we lived in a very different environment with a very different life style.
To me this sounds a lot like BLAME, 'self-justification', MINIMIZATION, or just plain OLD DENIAL. But, then again, you might be meaning and/or referring to some 'thing' ELSE here.
I am just describing a situation as I understand it. I have no interest in blaming, self-justifying, or denying anything.
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Maybe it is a fundamental principle of nature that every system eventually breaks down, or burns itself out.
OR, just KEEPS EVOLVING, KEEPS PROGRESSING, and just KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
What keeps evolving, progressing and getting better?
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Perhaps humanity is currently in the later stages of natural decay.
Or, PERHAPS 'humanity' is on the VERY CUSP of evolving or transitioning into the next stage, and just about to take the step up and onto the next rung of the ladder, or onto the next step of the stairway to 'Heaven', and move on into ANOTHER completely PROFOUND and/or REVEALING stage of evolution, as comparable or more so to as WHEN human beings evolved OUT OF the 'ape' stage, and UP, ONTO, and INTO the human being stage.
I have no idea of what you envisage when you say that, but it sounds a bit unrealistic to me.