Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:42 am
SO, you REACH 'CONCLUSIONS' HOLD 'them' as being true, right, and/or correct ONLY UNTIL so-called 'new evidence or information' comes along YOUR WAY, and then, and ONLY THEN, you will ASSESS the NEW EVIDENCE or INFORMATION, and their IMPLICATIONS, with what you are ALREADY HOLDING, or CONCLUDING, as being true, right, and/or correct, correct?
Sometimes the conclusions I reach, or the judgements I make, turn out to be incorrect; either partially or wholly. When this happens, and I become aware of it, I will normally have a rethink.
Okay.
Do you LIKE to be INFORMED when YOUR CONCLUSIONS, and/or JUDGMENTS, are Incorrect, partially and/or wholly?
Or, in other words, if what you BELIEVE was true was NOT true, then would you like to HEAR 'it'?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
AND, depending on how so-called 'COMPELLING the evidence was', you, MIGHT, even revise your OLD, HELD ONTO 'CONCLUSION', right?
Yes.
Just out of CURIOSITY, if and when you BELIEVE, for example that God does NOT exist, then HOW, EXACTLY, could ANY so-called 'new evidence or information' ACTUALLY COME ALONG or COME YOUR WAY?
Things that we were previously unaware of can come to out attention in any number of ways. Maybe if God sent an angel to have a word with me, I might begin to take the possibility of his existence more seriously.
LOL BUT HOW could A 'thing' which you BELIEVE could NOT even exist send an angel to you, or do absolutely ANY thing?
Also, WHY have you CONCLUDED that God is a "he"?
Do you KNOW WHERE this DISTORTED CONCLUSION and BELIEF even came from, EXACTLY?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
If, for example, one has ALREADY 'CONCLUDED' that some 'thing' DOES NOT exist AND COULD NOT exist, then HOW could ANY 'new evidence or new information' POSSIBLY come-to-light?
While I do sometimes decline to accept that something exists, I don't often conclude that it could not exist. Even so, if one did conclude that something could not possibly exist, I don't see any reason why evidence that proved it did exist could not subsequently come to light.
WHY do you NOT appear to be ABLE TO COMPREHEND that WHILE one is BELIEVING or DISBELIEVING some 'thing' is true, then there is absolutely NOTHING that could 'come-to-light' and SHOW OTHERWISE?
Maybe if you provide AN EXAMPLE of while you are BELIEVING, or DISBELIEVING, some 'thing' is true, HOW EXACTLY CONTRARY 'evidence' or 'proof' could be SHOWN or EXPLAINED, to you, then I COULD LEARN HOW to PROVIDE such 'evidence' AND 'proof' to 'you', human beings.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
If some one has ALREADY CONCLUDED and BELIEVES that some 'thing' COULD NOT exist, then there could NEVER, and FOREVER MORE, be ANY 'NEW INFORMATION' AT ALL that could EVENTUATE, to them.
Why not? What is there to prevent it?
BECAUSE it is AN IMPOSSIBILITY to BELIEVE, or DISBELIEVE, some 'thing' is true WHILE AT THE EXACT SAME TIME OPEN to 'it' NOT being true AT ALL NOR PARTIALLY.
If you think or BELIEVE otherwise, then PLEASE SHOW ME HOW.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Also, and by the way, the way 'you' OPERATE above here, to me, seems a VERY CUMBERSOME and VERY SLOW way of LEARNING and SEEING/UNDERSTANDING here.
SEE, REALLY it is VERY SIMPLE and EASY to ASCERTAIN Truth, from Falsehoods, Right, from Wrong, and what IS Correct, from what IS NOT Correct. That is; ONCE one LEARNS and KNOWS H.O.W.
For EVERY 'problem' there IS A 'solution', and, for EVERY 'solution', there IS A 'formula'.
And, the formula that WILL and DOES solve ALL Truly MEANINGFUL problems in Life IS H.O.W.
Once one LEARNS HOW to answer, or solve, ALL of Life's REAL 'problems', then 'this', itself, IS, literally, the RE-SOLUTION, which HAS BEEN and IS WITHIN ALL of 'us', ALREADY.
Just being PATIENT while A 'species' evolved ENOUGH to LEARN HOW to RECOGNIZE, FIND, and SEE 'the answers', which have ALWAYS BEEN HERE, BEFORE 'us' ALL of the time, has just been the HARDEST PART. 'Patience' WAS, and STILL IS, A VIRTUE, for those of 'you' who are STILL, WAITING.
Furthermore I MUCH PREFER to LOOK AT 'proof' ONLY INSTEAD of ANY supposed 'evidence', that way I am ONLY LOOKING AT and SEEING what IS IRREFUTABLY True.
Sometimes, what seems irrefutable today, ends up being refuted tomorrow.
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Well then 'it' was OBVIOUSLY NEVER EVER 'irrefutable'.
And, to think, assume, or BELIEVE that 'it' WAS, is AGAIN, just VERY DISTORTED and TWISTED thinking.
ONLY 'that', which can be and IS IRREFUTABLE is what IS ACTUALLY IRREFUTABLE. a
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
I suppose I just don't believe* in irrefutable truths in the way you do.
But i do NOT 'believe' in irrefutable truths in ANY way. So, what made you ASSUME, SAY, and WRITE the 'thing' that you just did here?
Also, in 'what' WAY were you ASSUMING I did 'believe' in irrefutable truths, EXACTLY?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
*I expect you to object to the word, "believe", but I am going to stick with it.
And you 'STICKING WITH it' is just ANOTHER SIGN, EXAMPLE, AND PROOF of one NOT be OPEN, AT ALL.
Unless you are now going to CLAIM that you are OPEN, to which I will ask you, What, EXACTLY, are you OPEN to here?'
Also, WHY would I so-call 'object' to just ANOTHER word used in the english language?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: I have reached a conclusion about what is likely to be the truth of things.
But which could be FULLY or PARTLY False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect, correct?
Yes, that is correct.
So, you ADMIT that you CONCLUDE 'things' to be true, right, or correct but which, in fact, may NOT be true, right, NOR correct AT ALL, right?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
If yes, then this would MEAN that ALL of what you have 'CONCLUDED' could potentially be PARTLY False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect or FULLY False, Wrong, and Incorrect. Which, to me, would make the point of 'CONCLUDING' 'things' are Truly VERY WASTEFUL time of energy and resources. Especially considering the Fact that thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things' can be SEEN, UNDERSTOOD, LOOKED AT and DISCUSSED, INSTEAD.
I might take the same view as you if human beings were infallible logic machines, but they are not.
LOL but 'you', human beings, do NOT HAVE TO CONCLUDE 'things'.
SEE, what 'you' CAN DO INSTEAD is just REMAIN OPEN.
SIMPLE, REALLY.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: If I only acted upon what I know to be irrefutably true, I would hardly do much at all.
What do you MEAN here?
What are you thinking or MEANING that you WOULD DO, and, WOULD NOT DO?
If my doorbell rings, I cannot be sure that there will not be a man with a gun standing at the other side of it with the intention of shooting me dead. Perhaps I have been watching a film where that very thing has happened, and the event has come into my mind upon hearing the sound of the doorbell.
This 'mind' 'thing', which you speak of, is that 'thing' that is part 'consciousness' but NOT ALL 'consciousness', correct?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Even so, I would still normally open my door regardless of the absence of irrefutible proof that it wasn't just the postman. I know it might seem a reckless risk to take in order to save myself a trip to the sorting office to pick up the parcel that the postman was unable to deliver, but that's just the way I live my life.
But you do NOT BELIEVE in ANY irrefutable truths, correct?
If yes, then this implies that, to you, there are NO irrefutable truths AT ALL, right?
If yes, then this means that you will ALWAYS be doing some 'thing'?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
SEE, REALLY it is VERY SIMPLE and EASY to ASCERTAIN Truth, from Falsehoods, Right, from Wrong, and what IS Correct, from what IS NOT Correct. That is; ONCE one LEARNS and KNOWS H.O.W.
For EVERY 'problem' there IS A 'solution', and, for EVERY 'solution', there IS A 'formula'.
And, the formula that WILL and DOES solve ALL Truly MEANINGFUL problems in Life IS H.O.W.
Once one LEARNS HOW to answer, or solve, ALL of Life's REAL 'problems', then 'this', itself, IS, literally, the RE-SOLUTION, which HAS BEEN and IS WITHIN ALL of 'us', ALREADY.
Just being PATIENT while A 'species' evolved ENOUGH to LEARN HOW to RECOGNIZE, FIND, and SEE 'the answers', which have ALWAYS BEEN HERE, BEFORE 'us' ALL of the time, has just been the HARDEST PART. 'Patience' WAS, and STILL IS, A VIRTUE, for those of 'you' who are STILL, WAITING.
But this doesn't have the importance to me that it seems to have to you.
Okay GREAT.
What does have 'the importance' to you here?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:28 pm
I think there will always be things that I can never know for sure, and I can accept that.
Okay, like 'what', for example?
Also, are you under some sort of illusion that i could NOT or could NEVER accept 'that'?