If you feel too frustrated and would like to finish up with me, then that is perfectly fine with me.Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:38 pmI can't continue with this. All the misunderstandings an misinterpretations make it too frustrating. Also, if I have to see the word, "irrefutable", one more time I think it will drive me mad. No hard feelings, let's just call it a day.Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:37 amMaybe, but you did NOT now answer the ACTUAL question I asked you here.
Within actual philosophical discussions could there really be ANY thing less than absolute precision necessary?Okay, pity you are not really that interested because if you were, and considering that you are ALREADY absolutely FULLY OPEN to the possibility of God's existence, then you could have VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY found out what the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY here.
Which, by the way, would STILL NOT hold ANY necessary NEED for BELIEF either way.
I REALLY WISH and would have MUCH PREFERRED you DID EXPRESS what and where you thought or BELIEVED the irony was here.
This began when you stated; Sometimes, what seems irrefutable today, ends up being refuted tomorrow.
I replied; Well then 'it' was OBVIOUSLY NEVER EVER 'irrefutable'. And, to think, assume, or BELIEVE that 'it' WAS, is AGAIN, just VERY DISTORTED and TWISTED thinking. ONLY 'that', which can be and IS IRREFUTABLE is what IS ACTUALLY IRREFUTABLE.
You responded; Exactly.
To which I asked you the question; So, WHY IMAGINE that 'it' IS IRREFUTABLE when 'it' could possibly BE REFUTED? and then stated; To me, this seems like a Truly bizarre AND absurd thing to do.
To which you did NOT answer the question and just instead stated; No comment, with some emoji thing.
I am STILL CURIOS as to WHY you would IMAGINE that some 'thing' that was REFUTABLE is IRREFUTABLE?
But if you STILL do NOT want to answer, or even comment, then so be it.
You talked about the behavior when one thinks or imagines that some 'thing' is IRREFUTABLE but which is later REFUTED. We BOTH AGREE that this behavior exists, which I talked about being this behavior you have done is an ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Fact, so we BOTH AGREE on this behavior. Unless of course you want to now CLAIM that you have NEVER done this. But either way what would you call this behavior of BELIEVING or iMAGINING some 'thing' is IRREFUTABLE, but which was ACTUALLY REFUTABLE from the outset, if NOT a BIZARRE behavior, which is what I call and label this behavior?WHY JUMP to ANOTHER False, Wrong, AND Incorrect ASSUMPTION here about me NOT accepting some 'thing', and then carrying on as though there was some sort of truth in it? Talk about just ANOTHER ATTEMPT at DISTRACTION and DEFLECTION.Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:39 pm
I neither believe nor disbelieve it.
I have noted your suggestion, and dismissed it as something of no interest to me.
In my opinion, you sometimes get things wrong. If you don't accept that, and regard yourself as infallible, so be it. It is simply one more thing that we disagree about.
LOOK, IF in YOUR OPINION I sometimes get things WRONG, THEN I would be VERY HAPPY and VERY PLEASED if you JUST MENTIONED those 'things', AND THEN EXPLAINED WHY, in YOUR OPINION, those 'things' ARE WRONG. THEN we, AT LEAST, would have SOME 'thing' to LOOK AT and DISCUSS here. BUT, if you think or BELIEVE that YOUR OPINIONS are just RIGHT, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT AT ALL, and so regard "yourself" as infallible and YOUR OPINIONS could NEVER be REFUTED, and so INSTEAD of continuing on with YOUR CLAIM that I sometimes get things wrong you INSTEAD JUMP to some OTHER TOPIC and OPINION of yours, then so be it. It is simply just ANOTHER 'thing' we could LOOK AT, and DISCUSS here.Prove 'what', EXACTLY?
What does the 'it' word here refer to, EXACTLY?
And, IF you or ANY "OTHER" of 'you', human beings, COULD REFUTE what I SAID and CLAIMED here, then PLEASE GO ON AHEAD.
ALSO, 'what' PROOF do you want or NEED, which would PROVE 'it' (whatever 'it' IS, EXACTLY)?
Furthermore, do you DISAGREE or DISPUTE what I SAID and CLAIMED here?
Could ANY one REFUTE 'it'?
If yes, then GO ON and DO IT.
Also, do 'you' DISAGREE or DISPUTE that 'you' READ or HEARING THOSE WORDS that 'I' PUT IN FRONT of 'you', "harbal"
I REALLY ENJOY CLEARING UP misunderstandings AND misinterpretations and so would continue on for as long as you like. But, if you feel 'you' are going 'mad' and/or are just feeling too 'frustrated', then so be it. Just about ALL adult human beings, back in the days when this was being written, did just GIVE UP BEFORE they GAINED and OBTAINED the FULL and ACTUAL CLARITY of 'things', so do NOT feel to alone here.
GIVING UP and RUNNING AWAY was a VERY COMMON occurrence back in the days when this was being written.