attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 am
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:02 am
Is there really nothing else that people can find interesting to share about their explorations?
Of course there are. So what were you suggesting regarding me having a closed mind
That you seem unwilling to consider/respond to the points I made.
Will you respond now? Or are you only interested in the focus remaining on the indisputable truth of your claims?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 am
What do you mean what do I expect? I expect you to consider me an arsehole that doesn't want to discuss something that was a rather harrowing situation with you...I was having a disucssion with someone else.
First, you said the 'burn in Hell NOW' comment to ME... not, to someone else. My request for clarification was sincere and polite.
Second, you're saying these things on a public forum. If it's so private, you can use PM.
Third, I agree with Veggie, that a lot of your wild claims sound looney. Aren't you able to understand why they would sound that way??? Why get mad? Some people think my claims sound looney. I don't care... I know it's because some people may not be experiencing what I do. Everyone on this forum has people who think they're nuts. Perhaps a large part of how we use this forum experience is to bounce off of other people to find more clarity for ourselves.
Here's a question for you: What is the benefit/reason for me to believe or agree with your claims? I can't tell what the advantage is. It's not the kind of logic I'm used to working with... and my logic has already proven to work really well for me.
Does the perceived 'source' (AI, God, Sage, Nature, Universe) matter as much as what we learn from it? If we're not fixated on the 'source', can we discover similarities in our insights? What I notice is that people often seem to want some sort of recognition for being in association with a particular source... and I don't see what difference that makes. Rather, I'm interested in what are they getting from it and what are they doing with that?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 amSurely I am not the only one that ignores you?
Surely. Sometimes you do and sometimes you don't -- it seems to depend more on your moods than anything else.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 am
I honestly am not bothering to look up these links (I apologise for the arsehole in me that can't be bothered)
I didn't expect you to -- I put them there as proof/reference for what I was talking about.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 amYOU don't need to discuss things with me that don't interest you (God or that as from my point above you should have inferred - an intelligence behind the construct of reality - NOT called God - THAT was my alternate option for you, as always 1. God is divine. 2. "God" or you could call it FRANK or whatever because you are an atheist, is an A.I.
It interests me to explore and challenge all kinds of claims made on this forum. You seem to like it when I explore, but not when I challenge. That's part of the environment here. You challenge life and human conventions all the time! Yet, you don't want to be challenged.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 amFrom my empirical observations since 1997...it's one or the other.
Other people have other observations. So I ask: Why can't the Universe be THAT big -- big enough that we all have unique experiences on all sorts of levels? Are you saying it's 'one or the other' FOR YOU or that it's the ultimate truth over all?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 amYou started a thread because you watched a utube video
"All is energy / God is energy" ..yet you insist on calling yourself an atheist.
I was trying (for my purposes) to redefine the idea of God as actually being energy. Words get in the way of expressing ideas beyond conventional concepts. The word 'God' is used in a lot of different ways/contexts. I think there is 'divine' nature flowing throughout all, but I don't believe in a god. Why is that so difficult or offensive to understand? Why get hung up on labels (or a black and white world)? I think you, especially, would have more understanding about this.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 am...you must see my dilemma, I find dealing with such hypocrisy extremely annoying.
It's not hypocrisy! Why do you frame it that way?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 amridiculous conclusions AND insinuations tend to happen in almost EVERY discussion we have.
It's difficult to know what the fuck you're talking about half the time. You might say that's my fault. But you also say that everyone is that way. So where do you think the issue might actually be stemming from? You make claims which it appears that you just expect people to believe... and that appears to be your whole reason for making the claims. Which is why I asked you...
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:02 amWhy should people believe anything that is not their experience? Do you?
It seems that your whole goal is for people to believe you. But why would they? So, they question you instead, and make jokes, and it should be obvious to you that a lot of your claims sound outrageous to most people... just as a lot of people's claims sound outrageous to other people... so why are you surprised and offended? WE ALL get accused of being delusional or stupid or whatever. So, you just give up? Why don't you learn to communicate your concepts better, including WHY IT MATTERS?
Anybody can claim to know or talk to a god. Big deal! What is the point?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:26 amAND what I find hilarious, is this thread
6 Times Quantum Physics Blew Our Minds in 2022 where both yourself and Veg acknowledge that physicists are baffled re QM and that it appears that what we percieve as the universe, indeed REALITY is an ILLUSION - well....HELLO - are you still certain I am deluded when I have been saying THAT from my experiences ALL ALONG!!
That's not what sounds delusional, in itself, it's all the other stuff you come up with (accounts of AI or God or Hell, or dissected words, or a Sage, or the shapes of countries): these things you insist have particular significance... yet you ignore anything/anyone that questions them.