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Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:13 am
Ferdi wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:24 am Several of you have asked how I managed to get to this very old age of 95.
I am the middle one of 5 children and, may be the foundation to my good health was laid in 1938 when, at my age 11, our father purchased a single rowing Scull. He did not row but we lived along one of those canals in the Industrial area of Amsterdam North. Sometimes we played in the water. We could not swim but used a piece of wood to keep our head above water. A scull is better and safer. One of the neighbour’s kids was found drowned, but not while playing with us. May be that made father get that Scull. It was an unusual craft, had a rudder and a fixed seat wide enough for a passenger, and ropes to the rudder for steering. It had also a holder for a short mast and a small sail, for sailing in light winds. I rowed it a lot. By 1947 I had rowed through all the canals of Amsterdam. That rowing may well have laid a good foundation for my health. I am of average height and over more recent decades I have maintained my weight at 68 Kg by weighing myself regularly and by adjusting my daily food-intake accordingly.
Relevant also may be that I spent the whole of 1948 in the Dutch Army for Compulsory Military Training to be shipped to the then Dutch Colony of Indonesia which had declared to want its Independence. That created much street fighting in Indonesia. During the most recent ages many Dutch people had gone to live and work there. The Dutch Government decided to send some of its Soldiers to assist keeping order. However, Indonesia being many times larger than Holland, it required a very large number of troops, which had to be recruited, were trained, given an Tropical Anti Viral injection and then shipped to the other side of the globe for PEACE keeping there. I did successively 6 months of brutal Infantry training, followed by 3 months training to become a Sergeant, and was then ordered to go to the Officers training Camp for another 3 months of training and brainwashing about leading troops. At the end of those 12 months only my name only was called out to stand aside. I was then instructed to present myself at the Camp Commander’s Office. He told me that the Ministry of War had decided that I would serve the Nation even better by becoming a Civil Engineer. The Commander handed me a written Honourable Discharge and he said that the Ministry of War would call me if my service would be required in the future. I am pleased to have missed out on Indonesia because I heard much later that my best-friend at High-schoool had lost his life there in some event.
My longevity may well be due to the very intense Infantry training in 1948.
Longevity is something I doubt I will have. Already at the age of 55 my brain is deteriorating, possibly with early onset Alzheimer's or dementia. I kind of wonder if I'll make it past my 60s. But that's just as well. Mental illness, sleep apnea, and other conditions have destroyed any love I might have had for life. If anyone needs to perish young, then I suppose it best be me.
Have you considered the KETO diet? The brain and heart work much better on ketones than they do on glucose.
At age 62 I have found this year my mental acuity has increased by banning carbohydrates and processed foods from my diet. This has also allowed me to control hunger to such a degree that I have managed to reduce the number of meals to one or two a day, and I have lost 45 lbs in the process.
I have been a serial dieter all my life and followed the guidelines dutifully avoiding fat. But all that happened was that each time I got hungry and tired; tired of counting calories too. And as time passed my "normal" weight increased, despite annual lost of up to 20lbs.

With intermittent fasting and carb avoidance I no longer have trouble sleeping; I think more clearly; I have reversed my pre-diabetes; reversed my fatty liver; reduced my asthma and sinusitis.

I now enjoy fish, meat, eggs, butter without guilt; but I eat more brassicas, and salad foods than before, and do not miss the bread, pasta, rice, chips, and sweet things to which I was previously addicted.

There are really good metabolic reasons why this has all worked and I am now healthier than I have been for 30 years.

I only wish someone had told me about all this 10 or more years ago. And that is why I wanted to share my experience with you.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am The real question is how does a collection of chemical processes and molecular structures give rise to ideas, mind, and the yearning after meaning.
Essentially we are just complicated amoeba, worked up into specialised collection of interdependent cells, and as we all know in our hearts, when the body breaks down we fade away into the nothingness from which we came.
There is no such thing as life except for that simple fact of the organisation of specialised matter. Where we might find it easy to describe a jellyfish in such a way- or a lichen, moss, or algae; as the complexity of animals increase we find it more difficult.
Only a fool would try to pretend that in this massive hierarchy of complexity there is some distinct point at which matter has a special quality we call "life". So I really do not think, however much we want to believe, that there is a force of nature which may be called "life". A thing which is either present or not present.
When a person expires in that long sleep, most of the body remains "living". Each of our cells stay potentially active, needing only an injection of fuel or oxygen to be cultured in a dish. Sleep is the little death that we succumb to each night; or on the surgeons table with anesthetic. After we are dead there would be nothing to stop the DNA code from being cloned to make another "you", with the same potentialities of your childhood. Nothing more but that doce needs be added. THere is no life, only activity.

But is there something special about us as individuals which other creatures such as Whales, dogs, or mice do not have. I think not. It is more likely that a Whales has far more awareness, consciousness, beingness than any human. Just compare the differences.
As we live, we learn to live with loss. Loss of parents loss of loved pets.
But the constancy of our own biography seems to make it hard to accept the oblivion of ourselves.

Yet that is the truth. We come from nothing, we go back to nothing. What have we lost; nothing.
Nah. Although I very often wish the above were true and I can indeed RIP for the rest of eternity, unfortunately I know too much to attempt to become an atheist :wink:

But indeed, you have lost ALL that you have learnt, all your knowledge, all that you strived for, fought for, suffered for.
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:41 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am The real question is how does a collection of chemical processes and molecular structures give rise to ideas, mind, and the yearning after meaning.
Essentially we are just complicated amoeba, worked up into specialised collection of interdependent cells, and as we all know in our hearts, when the body breaks down we fade away into the nothingness from which we came.
There is no such thing as life except for that simple fact of the organisation of specialised matter. Where we might find it easy to describe a jellyfish in such a way- or a lichen, moss, or algae; as the complexity of animals increase we find it more difficult.
Only a fool would try to pretend that in this massive hierarchy of complexity there is some distinct point at which matter has a special quality we call "life". So I really do not think, however much we want to believe, that there is a force of nature which may be called "life". A thing which is either present or not present.
When a person expires in that long sleep, most of the body remains "living". Each of our cells stay potentially active, needing only an injection of fuel or oxygen to be cultured in a dish. Sleep is the little death that we succumb to each night; or on the surgeons table with anesthetic. After we are dead there would be nothing to stop the DNA code from being cloned to make another "you", with the same potentialities of your childhood. Nothing more but that doce needs be added. THere is no life, only activity.

But is there something special about us as individuals which other creatures such as Whales, dogs, or mice do not have. I think not. It is more likely that a Whales has far more awareness, consciousness, beingness than any human. Just compare the differences.
As we live, we learn to live with loss. Loss of parents loss of loved pets.
But the constancy of our own biography seems to make it hard to accept the oblivion of ourselves.

Yet that is the truth. We come from nothing, we go back to nothing. What have we lost; nothing.
Nah. Although I very often wish the above were true and I can indeed RIP for the rest of eternity, unfortunately I know too much to attempt to become an atheist :wink:

But indeed, you have lost ALL that you have learnt, all your knowledge, all that you strived for, fought for, suffered for.
This has nothing to do with atheism.

You can still believe in god and die like everyone else is definitely going to.
You are definitely not going to RIP. You are going to stop. You are going to end, you are NOT going to be.
I feel it best to accept that truth, as early in your life as possible. Though scary it is very liberating to know that nothing ultimately matters.
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promethean75 wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:38 am https://youtu.be/_7vUeS6bLZc

Was that for me?

If so, thanks
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:41 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am The real question is how does a collection of chemical processes and molecular structures give rise to ideas, mind, and the yearning after meaning.
Essentially we are just complicated amoeba, worked up into specialised collection of interdependent cells, and as we all know in our hearts, when the body breaks down we fade away into the nothingness from which we came.
There is no such thing as life except for that simple fact of the organisation of specialised matter. Where we might find it easy to describe a jellyfish in such a way- or a lichen, moss, or algae; as the complexity of animals increase we find it more difficult.
Only a fool would try to pretend that in this massive hierarchy of complexity there is some distinct point at which matter has a special quality we call "life". So I really do not think, however much we want to believe, that there is a force of nature which may be called "life". A thing which is either present or not present.
When a person expires in that long sleep, most of the body remains "living". Each of our cells stay potentially active, needing only an injection of fuel or oxygen to be cultured in a dish. Sleep is the little death that we succumb to each night; or on the surgeons table with anesthetic. After we are dead there would be nothing to stop the DNA code from being cloned to make another "you", with the same potentialities of your childhood. Nothing more but that doce needs be added. THere is no life, only activity.

But is there something special about us as individuals which other creatures such as Whales, dogs, or mice do not have. I think not. It is more likely that a Whales has far more awareness, consciousness, beingness than any human. Just compare the differences.
As we live, we learn to live with loss. Loss of parents loss of loved pets.
But the constancy of our own biography seems to make it hard to accept the oblivion of ourselves.

Yet that is the truth. We come from nothing, we go back to nothing. What have we lost; nothing.
Nah. Although I very often wish the above were true and I can indeed RIP for the rest of eternity, unfortunately I know too much to attempt to become an atheist :wink:

But indeed, you have lost ALL that you have learnt, all your knowledge, all that you strived for, fought for, suffered for.
This has nothing to do with atheism.
You are not understanding what I mean when I state "I know too much to become an atheist.."

Once you KNOW God exists as an intelligence behind what we peceive as reality (Pantheism seems the best glove to fit)...you cannot even CONCEIVE of this notion that you get to be dead for the rest of eternity (especially since being told certain things about your previous life.)

Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:45 amI feel it best to accept that truth, as early in your life as possible. Though scary it is very liberating to know that nothing ultimately matters.
Yes, I feel that too...but unfortunately I think this God c**t is going to make me exist again!!
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:53 am Yes, I feel that too...but unfortunately I think this God c**t is going to make me exist again!!
Keep on dreaming.

I have no interest in this idea of yours, as nothing in your experience could have led you to this delusion except fear of death or a bang on the head, maybe.
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Age wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:16 am
Are you ABLE TO INFORM us of WHEN, EXACTLY, do we KNOW, for sure, WHEN one IS LITERALLY MEANING what they SAY from WHEN they are NOT LITERALLY MEANING what they are SAYING?

If you could, then this would help us, TREMENDOUSLY.
It's really something one has to learn from experience. Like when someone asks you, "can you explain?", I know from the context, and through experience, that they are requesting that you do explain, whereas you usually interpret it as, "are you able to explain?". Most people get what is meant intuitively, but if you don't have that intuition there may be strategies for getting round the problem. I don't have a quick fix, I'm afraid, but I would be happy to help if I can, as would many others here, I'm sure.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:58 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:53 am Yes, I feel that too...but unfortunately I think this God c**t is going to make me exist again!!
Keep on dreaming.

I have no interest in this idea of yours, as nothing in your experience could have led you to this delusion except fear of death or a bang on the head, maybe.
Oh...if you had experienced what this God entity put me through last night (dream wise) after I called Christ a few nasty expletives.

Nevermind. :roll:
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LIFE is not a tangible thing, it makes us "tick". We cannot hold LIFE, cannot preserve it in a bottle. LIFE is our label for an abstract concept.
We can not see LIFE, can only sense its presence. We cannot “see” life entering or departing. We can only, “sense“ when LIFE is present or absent. We cannot “see” a heartbeat, but can only sense its presence or absence. At a birth LIFE may or may not enter. If LIFE has entered the foetus had a successful birth. Not until then does the foetus become a baby, which is: a new unique human being with its own unique LIFE and DNA. Prior to that, it was a part of its mother, growing in its mother, connected to and using its mother’s LIFE, NOT its own LIFE. It cannot not have its own LIFE because it still remains to be seen if it will or may not receive its own LIFE at its birth.
On death, LIFE departs. Again, we can not ”see” LIFE departing, we can only use one of our senses to confirm its departure. Being ALIVE and HAVING LIFE are 2 distinct different phases of LIFE.
Thus to make it quite clear: LIFE is whatever it is that has obviously departed on death. We cannot see it because LIFE is NOT of our dimensions. LIVES come from and logically return to the all penetration Universe right here wherein we live.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am The real question is how does a collection of chemical processes and molecular structures give rise to ideas, mind, and the yearning after meaning.
What does 'real question' mean or refer to, EXACTLY?

And, it is not the collection of chemical processes and molecular structure, which gives rise to 'Mind', although it could be said and argued that those things do give rise to ideas, or maybe better worded they allow ideas to rise. Also, how a collection of chemical processes within a molecular structure, named; the 'human body', does give rise to ideas and the yearning after meaning is just simply from how both the way the Mind works AND the way the human brain works.

Now, how these two 'things' ACTUALLY work can be discussed, that is; IF ANY one is Truly INTERESTED.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am Essentially we are just complicated amoeba, worked up into specialised collection of interdependent cells, and as we all know in our hearts, when the body breaks down we fade away into the nothingness from which we came.
Some of 'you' might well THINK 'this', but for 'us' 'we' KNOW DIFFERENTLY.

But, as some ALREADY KNOW absolutely EVERY 'thing' is relative to the observer, AS WELL.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am There is no such thing as life except for that simple fact of the organisation of specialised matter.
Okay.

Now that this is SETTLED, we can ALL move along, right?
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am Where we might find it easy to describe a jellyfish in such a way- or a lichen, moss, or algae; as the complexity of animals increase we find it more difficult.
SOME of 'you' FIND and SEE 'complexity' where 'we' might FIND and SEE absolutely SIMPLICITY, at 'its' BEST and/or in 'its' MOST BEAUTIFUL form.

Also, just because of SOME of 'you' are YET to SEE and UNDERSTAND "your" OWN 'selves' this does NOT mean that that makes 'you' more complex. What it
does mean, however, is just that SOME of 'you' STILL have MORE to LEARN and UNDERSTAND.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am Only a fool would try to pretend that in this massive hierarchy of complexity there is some distinct point at which matter has a special quality we call "life".
AND, ONLY A FOOL would also say that there is even a 'thing' as 'life' anyway, correct?
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am So I really do not think, however much we want to believe, that there is a force of nature which may be called "life". A thing which is either present or not present.
And, some would say that no matter how much you want to BELIEVE what you SAY and CLAIM here, then that does NOT necessarily mean that 'it' is so.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am When a person expires in that long sleep, most of the body remains "living".
But there is NO 'life' right?

And, what parts of the body do NOT remain 'living'?
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am Each of our cells stay potentially active, needing only an injection of fuel or oxygen to be cultured in a dish. Sleep is the little death that we succumb to each night; or on the surgeons table with anesthetic. After we are dead there would be nothing to stop the DNA code from being cloned to make another "you", with the same potentialities of your childhood. Nothing more but that doce needs be added. THere is no life, only activity.

But is there something special about us as individuals which other creatures such as Whales, dogs, or mice do not have.
Yes.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am I think not.
Okay, but what 'you' think is NOT necessarily right, correct?
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am It is more likely that a Whales has far more awareness, consciousness, beingness than any human.
But those things do NOT make 'you', human beings, so-called 'special' from ALL of the OTHER creatures on earth.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am Just compare the differences.
As we live, we learn to live with loss. Loss of parents loss of loved pets.
'Loss' implies an unexpected disappearance or 'goneness', or some sort of PERCEIVED 'ownership'.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am But the constancy of our own biography seems to make it hard to accept the oblivion of ourselves.
But what makes it hard to accept the absolute oblivion of 'your' OWN 'selves' is some 'thing' ACTUALLY DIFFERENT.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 am Yet that is the truth. We come from nothing, we go back to nothing. What have we lost; nothing.
So, WHY did 'you' NEED to learn to live with so-called 'loss'.

There was NO perception of 'loss' BEFORE 'you', adult human beings, started TELLING "others" ABOUT so some called 'thing' as 'loss'.
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Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am
Age wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:16 am
Are you ABLE TO INFORM us of WHEN, EXACTLY, do we KNOW, for sure, WHEN one IS LITERALLY MEANING what they SAY from WHEN they are NOT LITERALLY MEANING what they are SAYING?

If you could, then this would help us, TREMENDOUSLY.
It's really something one has to learn from experience.
Sounds like, through experience, you have learned to read minds, and KNOW, EXACTLY, what another one is not just thinking but also what they are ACTUALLY MEANING behind what they write and say.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am Like when someone asks you, "can you explain?", I know from the context, and through experience, that they are requesting that you do explain, whereas you usually interpret it as, "are you able to explain?".
But I NEVER usually interpret 'this'.

What led you to ASSUME such a thing as this?
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am Most people get what is meant intuitively,
So, to you, if most people, intuitively, get what is MEANT in what "others" SAY, although what they SAY is NOT necessarily what they MEANT AT ALL, then WHY is there so much CONFUSION, MISINTERPRETATION, MISUNDERSTANDING, BICKERING, and FIGHTING among 'you', adult human beings?
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am but if you don't have that intuition there may be strategies for getting round the problem.
1. What is the so-called 'problem' here, EXACTLY?

2. I CERTAINLY DO NOT want 'that intuition', which you purport 'you' and "others" have here. 'you', adult human beings, can NOT even GUESS CORRECT the ACTUAL True MEANING when 'IT' is, literally, being SPELLED OUT CORRECTLY FOR 'you'. Let alone getting 'IT' Right when what is being SAID and WRITTEN is NOT what is even ACTUALLY MEANT.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am I don't have a quick fix, I'm afraid,
I DO. JUST SAY what 'you' MEAN and MEAN what 'you' SAY.

SIMPLE, REALLY.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am but I would be happy to help if I can, as would many others here, I'm sure.
GREAT. HOW, and WHERE FROM, EXACTLY, do 'you' obtain and get 'that intuition', EXACTLY?
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Age wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:40 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am
Age wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:16 am
Are you ABLE TO INFORM us of WHEN, EXACTLY, do we KNOW, for sure, WHEN one IS LITERALLY MEANING what they SAY from WHEN they are NOT LITERALLY MEANING what they are SAYING?

If you could, then this would help us, TREMENDOUSLY.
It's really something one has to learn from experience.
Sounds like, through experience, you have learned to read minds, and KNOW, EXACTLY, what another one is not just thinking but also what they are ACTUALLY MEANING behind what they write and say.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am Like when someone asks you, "can you explain?", I know from the context, and through experience, that they are requesting that you do explain, whereas you usually interpret it as, "are you able to explain?".
But I NEVER usually interpret 'this'.

What led you to ASSUME such a thing as this?
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am Most people get what is meant intuitively,
So, to you, if most people, intuitively, get what is MEANT in what "others" SAY, although what they SAY is NOT necessarily what they MEANT AT ALL, then WHY is there so much CONFUSION, MISINTERPRETATION, MISUNDERSTANDING, BICKERING, and FIGHTING among 'you', adult human beings?
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am but if you don't have that intuition there may be strategies for getting round the problem.
1. What is the so-called 'problem' here, EXACTLY?

2. I CERTAINLY DO NOT want 'that intuition', which you purport 'you' and "others" have here. 'you', adult human beings, can NOT even GUESS CORRECT the ACTUAL True MEANING when 'IT' is, literally, being SPELLED OUT CORRECTLY FOR 'you'. Let alone getting 'IT' Right when what is being SAID and WRITTEN is NOT what is even ACTUALLY MEANT.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am I don't have a quick fix, I'm afraid,
I DO. JUST SAY what 'you' MEAN and MEAN what 'you' SAY.

SIMPLE, REALLY.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am but I would be happy to help if I can, as would many others here, I'm sure.
GREAT. HOW, and WHERE FROM, EXACTLY, do 'you' obtain and get 'that intuition', EXACTLY?
I was just trying to be helpful, Age, but I obviously haven't been. Let's just leave it at that.
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Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am LIFE is not a tangible thing, it makes us "tick". We cannot hold LIFE, cannot preserve it in a bottle. LIFE is our label for an abstract concept.
We can not see LIFE, can only sense its presence. We cannot “see” life entering or departing. We can only, “sense“ when LIFE is present or absent.
And, some of us CAN and DO SEE and SENSE 'Life' EVERYWHERE.
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am We cannot “see” a heartbeat, but can only sense its presence or absence. At a birth LIFE may or may not enter. If LIFE has entered the foetus had a successful birth. Not until then does the foetus become a baby, which is: a new unique human being with its own unique LIFE and DNA.
AGAIN, ABSOLUTELY EVERY 'thing' is relative to the observer.
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am Prior to that, it was a part of its mother, growing in its mother, connected to and using its mother’s LIFE, NOT its own LIFE.
HOW do 'you' define the word 'LIFE', EXACTLY?

Or, in other words, What is 'LIFE', EXACTLY, to you?
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am It cannot not have its own LIFE because it still remains to be seen if it will or may not receive its own LIFE at its birth.
WHY do you ASSUME such a thing as this here?
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am On death, LIFE departs.
Well this sort of SPEAKS FOR ITSELF does it NOT?
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am Again, we can not ”see” LIFE departing, we can only use one of our senses to confirm its departure.
And what is that 'sense', EXACTLY?
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am Being ALIVE and HAVING LIFE are 2 distinct different phases of LIFE.
Are they REALLY?

Will you ELABORATE here?
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am Thus to make it quite clear: LIFE is whatever it is that has obviously departed on death.
AND what is 'it', EXACTLY, that you are wanting to and trying to make 'quite clear' here?
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am We cannot see it because LIFE is NOT of our dimensions.
What is 'our' dimension then, EXACTLY?
Ferdi wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:52 am LIVES come from and logically return to the all penetration Universe right here wherein we live.
So, to you, lives come from, and go to, 'here', right?
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Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:50 am
Age wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:40 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am

It's really something one has to learn from experience.
Sounds like, through experience, you have learned to read minds, and KNOW, EXACTLY, what another one is not just thinking but also what they are ACTUALLY MEANING behind what they write and say.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am Like when someone asks you, "can you explain?", I know from the context, and through experience, that they are requesting that you do explain, whereas you usually interpret it as, "are you able to explain?".
But I NEVER usually interpret 'this'.

What led you to ASSUME such a thing as this?
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am Most people get what is meant intuitively,
So, to you, if most people, intuitively, get what is MEANT in what "others" SAY, although what they SAY is NOT necessarily what they MEANT AT ALL, then WHY is there so much CONFUSION, MISINTERPRETATION, MISUNDERSTANDING, BICKERING, and FIGHTING among 'you', adult human beings?
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am but if you don't have that intuition there may be strategies for getting round the problem.
1. What is the so-called 'problem' here, EXACTLY?

2. I CERTAINLY DO NOT want 'that intuition', which you purport 'you' and "others" have here. 'you', adult human beings, can NOT even GUESS CORRECT the ACTUAL True MEANING when 'IT' is, literally, being SPELLED OUT CORRECTLY FOR 'you'. Let alone getting 'IT' Right when what is being SAID and WRITTEN is NOT what is even ACTUALLY MEANT.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am I don't have a quick fix, I'm afraid,
I DO. JUST SAY what 'you' MEAN and MEAN what 'you' SAY.

SIMPLE, REALLY.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:00 am but I would be happy to help if I can, as would many others here, I'm sure.
GREAT. HOW, and WHERE FROM, EXACTLY, do 'you' obtain and get 'that intuition', EXACTLY?
I was just trying to be helpful, Age, but I obviously haven't been. Let's just leave it at that.
But people who are Truly HELPFUL do NOT just CLAIM 'things', and then just IGNORE the 'student'.

Truly HELPFUL people KEEP GOING UNTIL they reach A POINT when they know NO MORE.

See, as long as the 'student' wants to KEEP LEARNING, then Truly HELPFUL people KEEP 'teaching'.

Also, and by the way, 'you' have been Truly HELPFUL, to what 'I' AM TEACHING here, "harbal".
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Re: What is LIFE ?

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Age wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:54 pm But people who are Truly HELPFUL do NOT just CLAIM 'things', and then just IGNORE the 'student'.

Truly HELPFUL people KEEP GOING UNTIL they reach A POINT when they know NO MORE.

See, as long as the 'student' wants to KEEP LEARNING, then Truly HELPFUL people KEEP 'teaching'.

Also, and by the way, 'you' have been Truly HELPFUL, to what 'I' AM TEACHING here, "harbal".
I'm more than happy to be of help, Age, but every time I think I understand what you mean or what you want I seem to get it wrong. I sometimes read your interactions with other posters, and I can see (what I perceive to be) the misunderstandings between you just spreading out like a ripple in a pond. Most people simply don't apply a mathematical type precision to their language. As much as that frustrates you, you will have to accomodate it if communication with others is important to you, and it is obviously very important to you.
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