Monks practice asceticism in order to enjoy simple things better.
Deprivation for a while makes excitement easy to achieve again.
I went to a war, where I experienced the kind of excitement that accompanies danger. I got used to it. I managed to sleep at night even though I might be killed in my sleep. I just accepted that that was the case.
Well you did have absolutely NO choice but 'to sleep'.commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:30 pmI went to a war, where I experienced the kind of excitement that accompanies danger. I got used to it. I managed to sleep at night even though I might be killed in my sleep. I just accepted that that was the case.
If you can enjoy misery just like happiness then you will be always in blissful state.
Yes, you are right, but this applies only to masochists. Not everybody is a masochist.dattaswami wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:09 amIf you can enjoy misery just like happiness then you will be always in blissful state.
Well these people obviously have distorted thinking.
Sure.
What is 'the message' that you are trying to convey here exactly?duszek wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:31 pm James Cameron went down to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, suffered enormous hardships, risked his life, almost died, in order to get some pictures for a movie, so that millions sitting in a cinema or at home can say "Wow" when the authentic wreck of the ship comes to life in all its previous glory.
An incredible person, I have his picture placed on my wardrobe so I can look him in the eye every now and then.
My eagerness for hardships and risky adventures is minimal.
Environmentalists would argue that he wasted resources for futile purposes.
It seems like an oxymoron to be able to 'enjoy misery'. So, how, EXACTLY, does and could one 'enjoy' 'misery'?dattaswami wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:09 amIf you can enjoy misery just like happiness then you will be always in blissful state.
There are several illustrations to prove that the physical pain can be also enjoyed. In boxing, when the opponent embraces you strongly, you feel unhappy because such a situation leads to your defeat. But, when you are embraced by a beautiful girl, you feel more happiness and the degree of your happiness is proportional to the strength of the embracement!.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 11:40 pm
It seems like an oxymoron to be able to 'enjoy misery'. So, how, EXACTLY, does and could one 'enjoy' 'misery'?
Also, from what I have observed those who appear to be far more miserable, and thus could be considered to 'enjoy' being 'miserable' do NOT appear to be in a 'blissful' state AT ALL, let alone ALWAYS.
I FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW one can still be 'content' when there are feelings of 'misery' arising, but 'enjoying' 'misery' again seems VERY CONTRADICTORY.
That is ONLY if 'you' are a person who thinks or BELIEVES that there is a WIN or LOSE situation, and who does NOT like so-called 'defeat'.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 amThere are several illustrations to prove that the physical pain can be also enjoyed. In boxing, when the opponent embraces you strongly, you feel unhappy because such a situation leads to your defeat.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 11:40 pm
It seems like an oxymoron to be able to 'enjoy misery'. So, how, EXACTLY, does and could one 'enjoy' 'misery'?
Also, from what I have observed those who appear to be far more miserable, and thus could be considered to 'enjoy' being 'miserable' do NOT appear to be in a 'blissful' state AT ALL, let alone ALWAYS.
I FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW one can still be 'content' when there are feelings of 'misery' arising, but 'enjoying' 'misery' again seems VERY CONTRADICTORY.
'you' will 'TRY TO' find ANY words that 'you' think, and HOPE, will back up your CLAIMS, right?dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am But, when you are embraced by a beautiful girl, you feel more happiness and the degree of your happiness is proportional to the strength of the embracement!.
Oh, are you saying if one is 'defeated' in a boxing match by what 'you' call a 'beautiful girl', then this so-called 'defeat' can bring about 'more happiness' than if one is 'defeated' let us say by an 'ugly man or boy', correct?dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am Therefore, the physical pain in one situation is unhappy, whereas the same physical pain in another situation leads to happiness.
'indications' are NOT necessarily what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am Even when you eat the hot dish, your tongue is burning due to the vigor of chillies and your eyes are showering the tears. All these symptoms are the indication of unhappiness only.
That is RIGHT, you 'enjoy' the 'happiness'. you are NOT 'enjoying' the 'misery'.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am But still you enjoy the happiness in eating the hot dish.
BUT it IS 'you', "dataswami", who INTRODUCED the idea of 'physical pain'.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am Therefore, you cannot link the enjoyment with mere external material.
I have NO CLUE AT ALL what 'you' are on about here.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am Ofcourse, the external material gives rise to the feeling and the feeling may be pleasant or unpleasant depending on one factor, which is that whether the external material is interacted continuously or not. If you are interacting with any item or situation of the creation continuously, you become unhappy. Even the embracement of the beautiful girl becomes unpleasant, if such embracement continues without gap.
What are you ON ABOUT?dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am If you are exposed to the heat for a long time you feel happiness in cold as in the case of the Indian.
So, 'you', "dattaswami", have become UNHAPPY in Life, and now does this MEAN that 'you' WILL become HAPPY in Death?dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am If you are exposed to cold for a long time you feel happiness in the warmness and heat as in the case of a foreigner. Hence the process of enjoyment depends on the alternating interaction with the external items or situations in this world. Hence, any continuous interaction with the same item or situation gives unhappiness, whereas the change in the interaction gives happiness.
But, besides 'you', as an adult human being, ABUSING children and "others", being an OBVIOUSLY UNPLEASANT scene to OBSERVE and BEHOLD, there are NO other so-called 'alternating pleasant and unpleasant scenes'.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am God is the Father of the souls and hence arranges the life cycles of the souls with alternating pleasant and unpleasant scenes.
'I' asked 'you', HOW could one 'enjoy' 'misery'?dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am Even though you have done sins continuously for some long span of time and good deeds continuously in another long span of time, God does not arrange the life cycles with the continuous misery and continuous happiness proportionally in corresponding long spans of time.
Besides what you SAY and CLAIM here just being Truly ABSURD, your ABSOLUTE INABILITY to EXPLAIN WHY God would, CONTINUALLY, make RE-OCCURING BAD 'things' PROVES that 'you' do NOT KNOW what 'you' are talking ABOUT here.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am God neglects this continuous span of time and arranges the life cycle in such a way so that every life cycle is fixed with alternating fruits of sins and good deeds. The re-arrangement of the good and bad fruits in alternating fashion by drawing good and bad fruits from both these span is done by God, who is omnipotent.
LOLdattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am You may expect God to cancel all the sins due to His omnipotent nature. If it is done like that, you will not enjoy since continuity of anything leads to misery.
Do 'you' even REALIZE how MANY TIMES 'you' CONTRADICT "your" OWN words here "dattaswami"?dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am Hence even in such case, misery is inevitable. Therefore, if you do not pray God for removing the miseries, God has already arranged the life cycles in best way to give you continuous enjoyment.
I think 'you' WILL FIND here "dattaswami" is that the ONLY 'one' 'you' are FOOLING here is, literally, "your" OWN 'self'.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am You are praying God to remove the difficulties, which are the fruits of your bad deeds. The law of justice does not accept the cancellation of the fruit of any deed. Hence, due to your prayers the difficulties are postponed to later births by God along with compounded interest. You also pray God to give continuous happiness. For this God, draws the good fruits from the future births with reduced interest to the present life cycle. Due to such continuous enjoyment of good fruits, you are again bored with misery.
BUT 'what' 'misery'?dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am Hence, you are totally foolish in disturbing the already designed life cycles of God. As a result of this foolishness your future births will be full of continuous miseries. The continuity of the misery gives you unhappiness just like the continuity of happiness.
But you just got through TELLING us that you can NOT ALWAYS be happy.dattaswami wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:51 am Therefore, pray God always attracted by your love to His divine personality and not for disturbing the already best designed life cycles by God due to His paternal affection. Therefore, you will be continuously happy by enjoying the alternating pleasant and unpleasant scenes of life and by not asking anything from God.
Thank you very much for your replies.