Kropotkin's prejudice...

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promethean75 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:33 pm immediately i walked out, never to return to a sex shop again.
How immediately? You get double flashdangerPoints if you stormed out still at full pan-handle saying "well I never!"
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promethean75 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:33 pm holy crap the glory hole. yo i got a story for ya and i am totally not bullshitting you. sometime around nineteen years old i went into one of those sex shops with the beat off booths in the back. fuck it man i wanted to see what this was about. i had known of sex paraphernalia shops and whatnot but until a friend told me, i didn't know beat off booths existed. i think at the time - I say nineteen but I'm not certain - i wuz livin in my car, so the opportunity to see some good porn videos and maybe go ahead and pop one off if I'm locked and concealed in a booth and nobody's around, couldn't be passed up.

boy wuz I wrong.

so I'm standing in the booth clicking through the videos with one hand - there's like twenty playing and you can toggle through them - and jackin off with the other hand, and i hear this very faint 'yo' though the booth wall. so i look down and there's this fuckin hole in the wall waist high and about two inches in diameter. then another whisper: yo, lemme suck yo d**k!'

immediately i walked out, never to return to a sex shop again.

i dunno what happened. i don't know if this dude was already in the booth beside me and saw me through the hole or if he followed me in. needless to say i was freaked out.
How homophobic of you to assume it was a male. I mean, it's just as likely it was a woman, right? Or at least someone who 'identifies' as a woman (hence the 'dude-like' voice)? We all know there's no difference between a woman and a 'self-identifying woman' don't we?
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at the moment of the incident i wuz bearing on a full erection, so i had my hands full. Or so I'd like to think. i do however recall zipping up, walking out briskly, and becoming flaccid rather quickly. i entered into flight mode, never got to finish, and wasted four tokens.
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Harbal wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:36 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:25 pm Will I ever overcome my antipathy to seeing men kiss?
Perhaps, when you next see two men kissing, just imagine what they might be doing when they are behind closed doors. After that, the sight of them just kissing might not seem so bad. :|
Then again, you may be layering on an additional discomfort so that in addition to averting his eyes, if following your advice Kropotkin may be faced with the choice of vomiting in public or consciously overcoming the gag reflex, which really isn't a choice if one wants to do the mingle with all the colors of the rainbow in a civilized fashion, and being at peace with the way things are betwixt adults.

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Walker wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:38 am Then again, you may be layering on an additional discomfort so that in addition to averting his eyes, if following your advice Kropotkin may be faced with the choice of vomiting in public or consciously overcoming the gag reflex, which really isn't a choice if one wants to do the mingle with all the colors of the rainbow in a civilized fashion, and being at peace with the way things are betwixt adults.
Yes, now that I think about it, my suggestion probably wasn't the best advice. Perhaps if Kropotkin just thought of the situation as two human beings showing affection towards one another the sight of men kissing wouldn't seem so distasteful. Failing that, he could always look away.
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Probably the most ridiculous thread I've seen so far..
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:42 am Probably the most ridiculous thread I've seen so far..
You're just the person to make that observation a thread title, except change the word "thread" to "thing". I suggest either the lounge, or The Philosophy of Mind. The latter carries more gravitas, a concept that Liz* demolished.

*There was a claim that Liz Cheney's father, as VP to Bush the Younger, added "gravitas" to the administration. However, she demolished it, the concept, by being a stooge for The Party.
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Walker wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:38 am
You're just the person to make that observation a thread title, except change the word "thread" to "thing". I suggest either the lounge, or The Philosophy of Mind. The latter carries more gravitas, a concept that Liz* demolished.

*There was a claim that Liz Cheney's father, as VP to Bush the Younger, added "gravitas" to the administration. However, she demolished it, the concept, by being a stooge for The Party.
You are forever using other people's threads to air your political biases, and it has to stop, Walker. If I have to tell you again I will be very cross with you, and you really wouldn't like me when I'm very cross. You are heading for a jolly good telling off, so be warned. :|
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Harbal wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:52 am
Walker wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:38 am
You're just the person to make that observation a thread title, except change the word "thread" to "thing". I suggest either the lounge, or The Philosophy of Mind. The latter carries more gravitas, a concept that Liz* demolished.

*There was a claim that Liz Cheney's father, as VP to Bush the Younger, added "gravitas" to the administration. However, she demolished it, the concept, by being a stooge for The Party.
You are forever using other people's threads to air your political biases, and it has to stop, Walker. If I have to tell you again I will be very cross with you, and you really wouldn't like me when I'm very cross. You are heading for a jolly good telling off, so be warned. :|
That's the kind of observation that could find it's way to VT's new entertaining, engaging, philosophy thread. Those three descriptions add a bit of gravitas to the project, so she may need to pick the latter sub-forum, The Philosophy of Mind.
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Now for those who think I shared too much, I am simply following
Socrates in this thread..

and what are the two sayings of Socrates?

1. To know thyself
2. the unexamined life isn't worth living...

In this thread, I have followed the Socratic saying to a T....
have you followed Socrates advice?

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:19 pm Now for those who think I shared too much, I am simply following
Socrates in this thread..
I don't think you have shared too much, I just can't understand why you see it as a problem.
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I think the hardest thing is to see who we really are.
Even if who we are is being thrown into our faces all the time.

I thought I was basically good, but I was wrong.

I should take note of all that I really am.
But I'm afraid of it.

Yet I will never really be free if I don't face myself.
But every time I try, here I find myself in hell.
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Harbal wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:05 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:54 pm
K: It isn't necessarily about kissing per se, it is about confronting those
biases and prejudice that we ALL have and possible solutions to these
bias and prejudice and the second answer is I live in the San Francisco area..
on the Peninsula.. see it every day... but as I suggested, who has the problem
leads me to acknowledging that I have the problem, and not those men...
But do you disapprove of men kissing each other? That is the point. If you do disapprove, then I agree, you should do something to address that, but if it is merely a distaste for witnessing it, just learn to put up with it. We all have to see things that aren't to our liking from time to time; it's just part of life.
Yes. I think it is natural to identify with people when they do things. If I see someone fall down, I may wince. Those people who can pull their thumb down on their wrist, I hate seeing that. It's not a moral issue in those case.
If I see two men kissing, because I don't want to kiss a man, I react as if I am in the image. If I see two women kissing, no problem.
I've noticed a tendency for people to react negatively to when couples with the same sex as them kiss but not the opposite sex.

I see no reason to overcome my reaction. I have nothing against men kissing and would fight legislation trying to stop them kissing. But I have my reaction. No problem.
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bobmax wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:56 pm I think the hardest thing is to see who we really are.
Even if who we are is being thrown into our faces all the time.

I thought I was basically good, but I was wrong.

I should take note of all that I really am.
But I'm afraid of it.

Yet I will never really be free if I don't face myself.
But every time I try, here I find myself in hell.
One does need to go step by step. And to be as nice and forgiving of oneself as possible. This is not to say one rationalizes away what one did or that one should try to say it wasn't that bad. But rather to try to understand why you did it and what might have led you to be in such a state or have such an attitude. Parenting, culture, trauma, neglect, mistreatment, bad influences, misinformation, confusion and much more can lead to us doing, believing and thinking all sorts of things that we later regret. If we can truly face not only what we did but also why we did it, then forgiveness or at least acceptance of ourselves can come in. And the most important thing is that we would not think or do it again, that we learned. Guilt and shame are worthless. Regret however can be part of a flow towards change. You wouldn't want to be like that or do that again. You face what you did and what it led to. You don't like that. That's who you are. You are the person who does not like that, not the person who did it.

Not that I find that easy, but that's how I think of it.
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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:19 pm Now for those who think I shared too much, I am simply following
Socrates in this thread..

and what are the two sayings of Socrates?

1. To know thyself
2. the unexamined life isn't worth living...

In this thread, I have followed the Socratic saying to a T....
have you followed Socrates advice?

Kropotkin
Basing your life around what dead philosophers said sounds like a recipe for insanity. Can't you think for yourself?
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