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Historical wokeism

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Woke: alert to injustice, especially racism.
"We need to stay angry and stay woke"
is one definition offered by my handy-dandy dictionary...

Being "Woke" has clearly expanded beyond just Racism..
Being "Woke" is about being alert to injustice in whatever form
that injustice might take....be that form legal, social, culturally,
or religious.... the key point of being ''Woke" is alertness to
injustice and we can follow that point historically...

So, historically, we can see "Wokeness" in many diverse ways..
for example, we can, with an amount of historical damage,
see Martin Luther as being ''Woke"... becoming aware of the
injustices practiced by the Catholic Church.. which becomes
the basis of Protestantism...

one way to think of 'Wokeism" is to think about holding views that
are opposed to the overwhelming social/societal views...
for example, to hold a view that is different than the views held
by society.. to be an Atheist during the Middle Ages for example..
or to be openly Atheist before say, 1900, was holding a view
that was opposed to by the society/state at large...

to be "woke" is to be oppose to some commonly held belief, held
by the society/state/ culture....

so, let us examine some historical examples of being "Woke"...

One could make the argument that the American Revolution is
"Wokism" at its best... holding to a democracy during that time
period is "Being Woke" it is an opposing viewpoint held that is
opposite to the current, prevailing viewpoints...
which as we know from the "Declaration of Independence"
which was a document which listed the various "injustices"
that the King and Parliament inflicted on the American colonies...
The Declaration is a ''Woke'' document, which is another way
of saying, ''The Declaration is an Enlightenment document"

As one of the primary functions of the ''Enlightenment" is becoming
aware of injustice....hence, the decades long war Voltaire had with the
Catholic Church... in which he saw, with many of his contemporaries,
as "injustice" incarnate...which is just another example of being "woke"...

so let us discuss another example of "being Woke" oppose to the
prevailing viewpoint of the state, society, the culture......
Slavery has been around as long as recorded history, and is mentioned
in the bible...and as such, slavery had the official approval of the state,
the society, religious concerns and the culture until recent times...
(I note that slavery is still practiced around the world today,
in 94 countries you cannot be prosecuted for enslaving another
human being)

and the battle against slavery began around 1780-1790 among
the English religious, within both the clergy and the devoted...
which spread to the ''Woke'' clergy and followers in America...
to fight slavery, against the values, beliefs and officially held
values and beliefs of the state, the society and the culture
is the classical definition of being ''Woke''...

To fight ''injustice'' is what being ''Woke'' is

To protect Jews in Nazi Germany is being ''Woke''
and to fight for civil rights in the United States during the
1950's and 60's is being ''Woke'' and fighting for women's
rights is being ''Woke'' and fighting for gay rights is ''Woke''...
fighting against injustice, in whatever form it takes is
''Being Woke''...

The great leaders of being ''Woke'' are the ones we build statues to
today...from Luther to Washington and Jefferson to Gandi to MLK...

Being aware of injustice, is at the heart of ''Being Woke''

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Re: Historical wokeism

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In brief, “woke” means having awakened to having a particular type of “critical consciousness,” as these are understood within Critical Social Justice. To first approximation, being woke means viewing society through various critical lenses, as defined by various critical theories bent in service of an ideology most people currently call “Social Justice.” That is, being woke means having taken on the worldview of Critical Social Justice, which sees the world only in terms of unjust power dynamics and the need to dismantle problematic systems. That is, it means having adopted Theory and the worldview it conceptualizes.

Under “wokeness,” this awakened consciousness is set particularly with regard to issues of identity, like race, sex, gender, sexuality, and others. The terminology derives from the idea of having been awakened (or, “woke up”) to an awareness of the allegedly systemic nature of racism, sexism, and other oppressive power dynamics and the true nature of privilege, domination, and marginalization in society and understanding the role in dominant discourses in producing and maintaining these structural forces. Furthermore, being woke carries the imperative to become a social activist with regard to these issues and problems, again, on the terms set by Critical Social Justice. This—especially for white people—is to include a lifelong commitment to an ongoing process of self-reflection, self-criticism, and (progressive) social activism in the name of Theory and Social Justice (see also, antiracism).

Historically, the term “woke” has been used somewhat extensively in slang throughout the twentieth century to refer to a state of awareness of the discrimination, disenfranchisement, and mistreatment of blacks, especially in America, and it is in that sense always had some connection to the critical mode of thought in the New Left. (See also, black liberation, liberation theology, false consciousness, and consciousness raising.) The term is alleged to have gained its first contemporary connotation in 2008 with the Erykah Badu song “Master Teacher,” in which Badu envisions and dreams of a world of racial equality and then advises genuine activism with the admonishment that listeners should “stay woke.” The term developed from there, particularly via black activism on Twitter.

The term then gained particular significance and tied itself to the contemporary Social Justice movement in the mid 2010s as it became an activist watchword of the Black Lives Matter movement. There, say following the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, the phrase “stay woke” took on the very specific meaning of being aware of the reality (according to critical race Theory) of systemic racism in American society that activists blamed for being at the root of the incident. This has, in turn, led to the term being nearly synonymous with having a critical consciousness as provided through critical race Theory, although it has been appropriated through intersectional thought to apply to other issues of identity relevant to postcolonial Theory, queer Theory, feminism, and so on. It has since expanded and memefied further and is now seen from the outside as being wholly synonymous with having been converted to a Social Justice critical consciousness. As such, “wokeness” often refers to both critical Social Justice doctrine and the state of having accepted it.

In that “wokeness” has become a term directly associated with the critical consciousness provided by applied postmodern Theories, especially critical race Theory (see also, postmodern, Marxian, Neo-Marxism, Post-Marxism, and Cultural Marxism). As such, it is centrally concerned with being aware of the intersecting systems of racism, sexism, and other forms of alleged societal oppression and analyzing these in terms of privilege. This is most often done, under woke consciousness, by engaging in discourse analysis, especially using close reading, which enables racism (or other systemic bigotries) that are assumed to be present in all situations to then be read into them. This is then treated as proof of the systemic problem that was assumed to exist in the first place (see also, mask). Being “woke” would entail being able to “see” the intersecting web of dominance and oppression that arises from the function of privilege in society and taking up efforts to challenge, disrupt, subvert, deconstruct, or overthrow the existing system in the attempt to bring those unjust intersecting power dynamics to an end (see also, Matrix of Domination)."


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Re: Historical wokeism

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Still don't 'get' it, and still banging on about something you clearly don't understand. How many more threads will it take? :roll:

As a matter of fact, since you brought it up, protecting Jews in Nazi Germany would have been the opposite of 'woke'.
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Re: Historical wokeism

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Peter Kropotkin:

To fight ''injustice'' is what being ''Woke'' is

To protect Jews in Nazi Germany is being ''Woke''
and to fight for civil rights in the United States during the
1950's and 60's is being ''Woke'' and fighting for women's
rights is being ''Woke'' and fighting for gay rights is ''Woke''...
fighting against injustice, in whatever form it takes is
''Being Woke''...

As you were saying veggie...

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Re: Historical wokeism

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:49 am Peter Kropotkin:

To fight ''injustice'' is what being ''Woke'' is

To protect Jews in Nazi Germany is being ''Woke''
and to fight for civil rights in the United States during the
1950's and 60's is being ''Woke'' and fighting for women's
rights is being ''Woke'' and fighting for gay rights is ''Woke''...
fighting against injustice, in whatever form it takes is
''Being Woke''...

As you were saying veggie...

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Re: Historical wokeism

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:25 pmBeing "Woke" is about being alert to injustice in whatever form {legal, social, cultural, religious] that injustice might take ...
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:29 amAs such, “wokeness” often refers to both critical Social Justice doctrine and the state of having accepted it.
Yes, that's what I take Kropotkin to be saying. I love me some across-the-aisle concurrence!
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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:49 am Peter Kropotkin:

To fight ''injustice'' is what being ''Woke'' is

To protect Jews in Nazi Germany is being ''Woke''
Wokism fights the injustice that wokism defines.
The New York Times is, and was, a big voice for the Woke.
It's the well-known house organ for Wokism.
It did and does define injustice for the Wokesters.
It tells both Wokesters and Wokies where to look.

The NYT did not report on the holocaust.
The NYT did not "protect Jews in Nazi Germany".
The NYT kept truth in darkness.

Wokies specialize in fantasy facts and historical revisionism.
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Walker has this weird obsession with heroes doesn't he?

He'd sacrifice his first born for Trump so readily that he doesn't understand that Biden voters were never looking for an object of veneration.
Now he thinks his enemies worship the New York Times so hard that they are bound by whatever virtues it had or lacked in 1938.
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Walker wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:55 amThe NYT did not report on the holocaust.
The NYT did not "protect Jews in Nazi Germany".
The NYT kept truth in darkness.
Then the NYT failed to be a big voice for "the Woke" back then. Are you woke enough to see that as a shameful failure, or are you an anti-woke supporter of tacit anti-semitism? I ask because:
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:29 am... Marxian, Neo-Marxism, Post-Marxism, and Cultural Marxism ...
..."Marxism" is Neo-Nazi code for "Jewish Cabal"
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There was no concept of 'woke' back then FFS. If you were living in Germany at the time of the Nazis then the 'Politically Correct' point of view was one of racist right wing Nationalism. If you didn't adhere to that then you were unfashionable and going against the mob.
Why does Nazism always come up as the ultimate example of everything? It's always dangerous to go against the mob, in ANY situation.
The conceit of wokies to actually believe that they are the true harbingers of all that is good and great and fair.
Delusional fuckwits. All they are doing is sticking themselves to any fashionable bandwagon like the little pieces of smelly turd that they are.

Oh yeah, since anti-semitism has been brought into it, why then is it oh so woke and fashionable to pretend to care deeply about Palestinians and despise Israel? Wokies are all the same. Like I said, it's all about fashion and bandwagoning.
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Re: Historical wokeism

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mickthinks wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:04 am
Walker wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:55 amThe NYT did not report on the holocaust.
The NYT did not "protect Jews in Nazi Germany".
The NYT kept truth in darkness.
Then the NYT failed to be a big voice for "the Woke" back then. Are you woke enough to see that as a shameful failure, or are you an anti-woke supporter of tacit anti-semitism? I ask because:
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:29 am... Marxian, Neo-Marxism, Post-Marxism, and Cultural Marxism ...
..."Marxism" is Neo-Nazi code for "Jewish Cabal"
If you're looking for somebody to work the ZionistBolshevik angle, I think your man for that is Alexis Jacobi more than Walker and Mannie. He's got a pretty bad case of that sort of thing.
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... your man for that is Alexis Jacobi more than Walker and Mannie. He's got a pretty bad case of that sort of thing ...

One argument at a time, flash.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:19 am
mickthinks wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:04 am
Walker wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:55 amThe NYT did not report on the holocaust.
The NYT did not "protect Jews in Nazi Germany".
The NYT kept truth in darkness.
Then the NYT failed to be a big voice for "the Woke" back then. Are you woke enough to see that as a shameful failure, or are you an anti-woke supporter of tacit anti-semitism? I ask because:
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:29 am... Marxian, Neo-Marxism, Post-Marxism, and Cultural Marxism ...
..."Marxism" is Neo-Nazi code for "Jewish Cabal"
If you're looking for somebody to work the ZionistBolshevik angle, I think your man for that is Alexis Jacobi more than Walker and Mannie. He's got a pretty bad case of that sort of thing.
When have I ever used the term 'cultural marxism'? It doesn't even mean anything. That's conspiracyturd territory.
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Gee, J K Rowling is such an evil 'supporter of genocide'. Destroying her is really driving social evolution for the good and making the world a better place via wokedom's brave and life-risking twitter crusade :lol:
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:27 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:19 am
mickthinks wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:04 am
Then the NYT failed to be a big voice for "the Woke" back then. Are you woke enough to see that as a shameful failure, or are you an anti-woke supporter of tacit anti-semitism? I ask because:
..."Marxism" is Neo-Nazi code for "Jewish Cabal"
If you're looking for somebody to work the ZionistBolshevik angle, I think your man for that is Alexis Jacobi more than Walker and Mannie. He's got a pretty bad case of that sort of thing.
When have I ever used the term 'cultural marxism'? It doesn't even mean anything. That's conspiracyturd territory.
Nobody was mentioning you?
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