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Peter Kropotkin
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The Romantic era and modern philosophy...

Post by Peter Kropotkin »

Ok, now we hit the third part of my trilogy...

The Romantic era and its impact on modern philosophy...

As defined by Wiki, Romanticism was an Artistic, literary,
musical and intellectual movement that originated in Europe
roughly around 1780.. the German Goethe created the first examples
of "Sturm und Drang" or in English, "Storm and Stress" which were
the first examples of the Romantic era... for the ''Storm and Stress"
crowd, it was opposed to the rational logic of the ''Enlightenment"
period.. just as conservatives today, like IQ45 and the MAGA crowd
denounces the ''Enlightenment"

The "Sturm und Drang" crowd believes in the value of emotionalism,
and feelings of human beings...and those feelings are
at the heart of the "Romantics" which is the heart of
the conservative movement.. the conservative values individualism,
feelings, the subjective, no objective or outside values have no
need to appeal to any outside source, or authority... it was enough
that one felt it, to make it real and right.. as IQ45 often says,
he is right because it "feels right in his stomach" and that is enough
for him and other MAGA/GOP types...he needs no other justification or
validation from any other outside source if it "feels right in his stomach"....

and that is why for conservatives and MAGA types, they have no need for
science and rationality and medicine... it cannot replace or fill the place of
''it feels right in his stomach''

The Romantic denies science, facts, logic, rationality, or evidence,
because it ''might'' deny the ''feelings' of that person...thus it is easy
for a MAGA/Conservative to deny science or reason...
and demand the primacy of inspiration, subjectivity and the individual...
which is a denial of logic/reason, objectivity, and the collective...
the one, me, before all, the collective, is the motto of the conservative,
the MAGA crowd...

and we see this as the conservative puts the individual before the group,
the society, and the state... thus we see the conservative preach for no masks,
limited government, and the reason for its attack on liberal values that are for
the group, the collective, the many, the state...

we can clearly see that the battle between the ''Enlightenment'' and the "Romantic"
has been the battle being fought since 1850.. thus we can hold to the history of
the 20th century as being a war fought between reason/logic and feelings/emotions...
between the ''Enlightenment values" and the "Romanticism values"..
because the Nazi's held to Romanticism and not to the 'Enlightenment,
we can see why the Holocaust happened and because the conservatives
hold to Romanticism and not to ''Enlightenment" values, we can
see how conservatives can hold to their anti-life, anti-American
and anti-democratic values that they have espoused for decades.....

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Iwannaplato
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Re: The Romantic era and modern philosophy...

Post by Iwannaplato »

In a word: no.
If you cannot see the Romantic side of the liberals/left you are very confused.
Much of what the liberals and left do and propose some law or policy is based on feelings.
The great rescuing power of a technological future.
Taking care of everybody.
Forgiving criminals (to a greater degree than conservatives)
The entire self-esteem remaking of schools. Was this based on hard science? Nah.
And you've completely misrepresented the Englightenment.
One of THE CORE FEATURES of the Englightenment was individualism, focused on individual rights and liberties. And what became the traditional values in the US, distinct from other nations, was individualism (ironically, in part based on the role modeling of some native groups).
If you haven't noticed that conservaties have a serious problem with the left's pie in the sky ideals and romantic proclivities, then you are not paying attention.

This OP is not just an oversimplification, it's wrong. And it is a perfect conversation opener to create more gaps between the left and the right.

You are part of the problem. You contribute to the split and make little attempt to actually understand the people you are dealing with.
It's toxic.
And yes, conservatives have all sorts of toxic communication.
Great you can compete with their toxic communicators to see who can alienate more people and shut down real discussion.
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