Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:34 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:50 pm
That's a particularly Western point of view.
K; and as stated, I cannot escape my being an "western" man or having a western
point of view...I simply cannot... my values, viewpoint, morals, grasp
of what it means to be human, must be "western".. I cannot pretend
to know or grasp what it means to be human from a Muslim viewpoint
or a Japanese viewpoint... I am limited by my own background
and birth to have a limited viewpoint... at best, I can only do is what I
have suggested which is a reevaluation of those "western" values
I was raised with.. I cannot escape from that limited viewpoint,
but I can examine that viewpoint to see if that viewpoint is my viewpoint...
or if another "western" viewpoint is more in line with my values and
beliefs.. I just can't go outside of those values due to my childhood
indoctrinations...I just can't suddenly hold the values of Ancient Greece
or hold the values of a black person because I am not black nor was I raised
within those values... I can't project myself into values or beliefs that lie
outside of my experience..
P: We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Albert Einstein
It seems that a lot of our problems come from a western point of view. Solutions need to come by adopting a different point of view.
K: and I agree with you but I think the problem is more basic than what you say....
I believe that we aren't even at the solutions stage... when we can't get millions
of people to agree that we even have issues like climate change or
that income inequality is a problem... we can't even agree that there is a
problem and what is the nature of that problem...
we are still at the point of agreeing that there is a problem, little
less being to agree on a solution... we aren't even at square one,
agreement to a having a problem, that being able to agree that
there is a problem is square one.. my goal is to get people to
at least think that what they believe in is part of the problem, and
the basis of my attacks on conservative/MAGA types.. (that their
thinking and beliefs is part of the ongoing problems we face)
and until we get some sort of census as to even having a problem,
solutions are still quite a bit away...
Kropotkin