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Peter Kropotkin
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in meeting someone...

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I walked down the street and ran into someone..
we began to talk... you talk to someone, under what discipline are you
reacting to?
a discussion between two people... is that ethics/morality, biology,
evolution, science, sociology, history, philosophy, psychology?

or said another way, in a discussion between two people, which laws/rules
apply? One way to think about it, I walk up to a beautiful woman, and talk
to her....is my engagement with her about picking her up?
that would be evolution/science/biology.. am I sexually attracted to her?
or am I discussing the weather, or am I learning about what she knows about
nuclear physics?

In our actions/reactions to others, what laws are we following? Which discipline
are we engaging with? What branch of human understanding is leading me to
talk to that beautiful woman? or if I talk to my wife, is that discussion because
of history or philosophy or biology or sociology or perhaps, epistemology..
the gathering of information/knowledge necessary for me to plan my day tomorrow...

in the day to day discussions between people, what is the discipline that drives
that conversation with people?

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Peter Kropotkin
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now some may say, we engage with others because we
are, in no particular order, bored, unhappy, sad, happy..
in other words, for psychology reasons, in seeking love, or esteem or
fighting boredom, or in seeking sex or fulfilling some other need,
either bodily or psychological....

or do we seek out others because of science/evolution where
human being must seek each other out... we are social creatures,
we cannot survive without others, either physically or psychologically..
that is a scientific fact.. we are in fact driven to connect with others..
but which aspect of human nature does that? and each discipline,
history, philosophy, politics, sociology, science.. each of these have
a role in this drive of ours, but can we pinpoint which discipline
drives us the most?

said another way, which discipline make us "human?"
science, history, psychology, sociology, evolution, to name a few....

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:39 pm now some may say, we engage with others because we
are, in no particular order, bored, unhappy, sad, happy..
in other words, for psychology reasons, in seeking love, or esteem or
fighting boredom, or in seeking sex or fulfilling some other need,
either bodily or psychological....

or do we seek out others because of science/evolution where
human being must seek each other out... we are social creatures,
we cannot survive without others, either physically or psychologically..
that is a scientific fact.. we are in fact driven to connect with others..
but which aspect of human nature does that? and each discipline,
The 'nature' of every species is to procreate. So-called 'human nature' is no different.

The 'life', itself, within things is the aspect that drives things to attract.
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:39 pm history, philosophy, politics, sociology, science.. each of these have
a role in this drive of ours, but can we pinpoint which discipline
drives us the most?

said another way, which discipline make us "human?"
science, history, psychology, sociology, evolution, to name a few....

Kropotkin
There is no so-called 'disciple' that makes 'you', 'human'. The ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely every and any thing, however, is what separates 'you', human beings, from every other animal and species.
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There are many opportunities to communicate.
The reasons are the most disparate. Noble or not noble, altruistic or selfish, but behind all these reasons there is always the same force: love.

Love manifests itself through communication.

Existence itself is nothing but communication.
And communication is meant to bring out the Truth.
Peter Kropotkin
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Post by Peter Kropotkin »

It has been suggested that what makes us human, is our
ability to remember.. memory is what makes us human,
the ability to carry a thought from generation to generation
is how we became human...an advancement such as the creation
of fire, was ''remembered'' from generation to generation...in
other words, we are human because of ''history'', animals ''remember''
in terms of instinct.. they ''remember'' because of their genetic coding,
the software, installed in all living beings due to evolution... we
humans have our software installed into us, the fight or flight response
that all humans have, for example... but unlike animals, we can
overcome/override our instincts/the software and make choices,
that do not exist in our instincts/software.. for example, we can
override our fight or flight instinct.. and make another choice,
one that is not in our ''databanks'' or instincts...

and perhaps that is what makes us human, our ability to overcome/
override our instincts...to make choices outside of our software....

not to deny our instincts, as in what an ''ascetic'' person might do,
but simply make different choices...the reason ascetism fails,
is because it is human nature, to want what we are forbidden to have..
we are told to stay away from someone and that very demand,
to stay away, becomes what we seek, desire.. I suspect but can't
prove, is that much of what we "believe" to be taboo, and
we act upon that taboo, is what drives people to engage in
that taboo...that the taboo of pedophilia is, in part, what drives
that desire...because it is taboo, it becomes desired.. remove that
taboo and it becomes less desired..

(note that I am not advocating we should have or encourage pedophilia,
I am making a point as to why pedophilia is a "desire" in many people, it
is forbidden/taboo and thus becomes desirable)

Anyway, back to the point.. in the journey from animal to becoming human,
fully human, requires us to overcome/override our instincts/ software...
as I have noted before, that most people are around the "animal/human"
part of our human journey... from animal, no different than cats or dogs or
horses, to sharing our instincts and sometimes, sometimes overcoming/overriding
our programming/instincts.. to becoming fully human which means we
have overridden our instincts, our software to being in control of
of our instincts, our passions, from acting from instincts to being
in control of our own choices and desires...to make reason our
instrument of choice, not our passion/desire/instinct/software,
but our choices are made with reason and understanding...
not in passion or instinct...

we no longer have to deny who we are or deny our passions/desires.
we should not only engage in what we think/feel about, but
how we engage in thinking/feelings/emotions...

in our case, the human case, the how of our thinking/feelings is just
as important as the why and what we are thinking/feeling about...

Kropotkin
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