Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmAnd, 'psychology' literally means the 'study of the psyche' but so what?
My question is, obviously, asking for some thing ELSE, for clarification.
The studying of 'life', itself, does NOT mean that "science" is studying the 'meaning of life'.
Also, the branch of science known as 'biology' does NOT study ALL of 'Life' NOR ALL 'life'. The field of 'biology' only studies a part of 'Life', ONLY.
Wrong, Biology studies ALL parts of ALL life. This point was in response to your inquiry about an 'objective' analysis of Meaning of Life.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmLOL
ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how much these adult human beings would MAKE ASSUMPTIONS, and BELIEVE them to be true, BEFORE they would even just BEGIN TO SEEK OUT CLARIFICATION and True and FULL UNDERSTANDING.
Children don't know their Meaning of Life,
Most adults don't know their Meaning of Life, too.
Philosophers, and those interested in Philosophy, ought to have a clue, if not definitive and concrete answers.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmI HAVE ALREADY OWNED 'it'. But you appear to be completely and utterly BLIND to what the question is asking for, EXACTLY.
Are you NOT ABLE TO READ and SEE what this ACTUAL QUESTION is ASKING?
You brought up the topic of child abuse, not me.
You brought up the point of "learning from children", as-if they will offer some insight as to the Meaning of Life.
Along with your username, "Age", yes, I do believe you have some type of fixation on this point.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmSo, EVERY one of 'you', human beings, are eventually ALL LOSERS, right?
The question is whether Life has Meaning, and if there are better or worse forms of Meaning of Life.
Can one person live a 'better' life than another? If yes, then yes.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmBut 'Life', Itself, does NOT 'struggle' AT ALL, and in Fact IS ETERNAL. So, the word 'survival' does NOT even relate to 'Life', Itself.
However, 'life' is a completely different and other matter, which will be just as obvious and KNOWN to those who are Truly interested.
Death occurs to all Life, so what you said isn't true.
All life can hypothetically be destroyed; that is why there exists a survival instinct.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmBut when I asked you to CLARIFY this earlier, you stated:
The value of life is the importance, significance, and meaning that an organism deems to itself, and to others.
So, some times you SAY, 'the value of life', can NOT be boiled-down to 'mere opinion', but at other times you SAY, 'the value of life', comes down to how an organism 'deems itself'. Which, to me, is just about the same as 'mere opinion'. So, will you now CLARIFY what is the ACTUAL difference between how one 'deems itself' to 'mere opinion of oneself'?
If no, then WHY NOT?
Here's a problem. A person can live a Meaningful life, and not know it. The point is to live a Meaningful life, and know it, AND not be deluded. That's a challenge. I don't think it's a common occurrence, at all. In fact, it's probably the rarest thing in existence. Why? Because people often delude themselves the importance of their accomplishments, deeds, achievements, and all such of their lives, when it may not be so. There is an issue with Selfishness, self-centered-ness, Egotism, Narcissism, and the like. Then there are all those with depression, who may have done amazing and influential things, gave Meaning to others in life, but themselves become depressed and maybe commit suicide.
So there are countless factors to consider.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmBut the EXACT reason WHY 'you', human beings, commit suicide is for a far more fundamental reason.
As there are a countless number of 'you'', human beings who see absolutely NO meaning in their lives, and they do NOT commit suicide, NOR even have suicidal impulses, what you said and claimed here does NOT follow.
Also, according to your so-called "logic" above, ALL 'life' that is NOT a 'human being life' would have NO 'value' and NO 'meaning' and absolutely NONE of them have suicidal impulses, which you just CLAIMED would manifest as a suicidal impulse.
I have also NEVER observed the life of young child, which OBVIOUSLY has NO sense of ANY value nor of ANY meaning, manifesting into a suicidal impulse.
Humans have a heightened capacity to have and learn of the Meaning of Life, which other, less intelligent animals, simply do not have.
Simple animals may have a Meaning of Life. What is it? What is their Value? What is their Purpose? What is their Significance?
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmBECAUSE they are NOT YET responsible for their actions.
Oh hang on, are you one of these adult human beings who MAKES children RESPONSIBLE for what they do, and so PUNISHES them for when they do what you call "wrong"?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:10 am
I'm not going to ask a third time.
You ONLY had to ask the FIRST time. BECAUSE what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is that that is WHEN I answered YOUR QUESTION, ALREADY.
If you want to 'try' and CLAIM that children ARE RESPONSIBLE for their behaviors, actions, and/or for what they do, then PLEASE go ahead and CLAIM this here.
We would ALL LOVE to SEE this PRESENTED.
Is it not Existence that makes children "responsible" for their actions?
If a young child sticks a fork in a light socket, then who is responsible for that? The child, or, somebody else?
People say "the parent is responsible", but why or how? Why must another be responsible, for you?
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmIn whose eyes?
Not in the "eyes", but in the stomach.
Children are not fed equally. It's never happened in history. It will never happen. Therefore, 'Equality' does not exist. Will you feed a large man 'equal' amount of calories as a petite woman?? Shouldn't different people be fed differently, therefore, NOT equally?!
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmAh okay. So, you only LIE to those who you do NOT care about, correct?
Also, is there a human being who you have NOT LIED to?
If yes, then WHO was that, EXACTLY?
In fact, have you EVER LIED to "yourself"?
If yes, then are you SAYING that 'you' do NOT care about 'you', NOR "yourself"?
Or, do 'you' ACTUALLY BELIEVE that 'you' have NOT LIED to, and thus NOT DECEIVED, "yourself" NOR some "others"?
By the way, BECAUSE 'I' can CLEARLY SEE that 'you' are LYING here, does this mean that 'you' do NOT care for 'I'?
That's the rub, isn't it?
What does this EVEN MEAN, EXACTLY?
It means that self-deception is a challenge for everybody.
Even in this discussion and debate about Meaning of Life, people can easily fall into deception. I made the point above. If a person lives a Meaningful life, and doesn't know it, then that possibility must be considered. People may not be aware of whether their entire lives are Meaningful, or not. So then deception is another problem, to clarify and avoid. Honesty is a very profound challenge, in this context. Anybody can say and claim "MY LIFE IS MEANINGFUL!" but merely exclaiming it, doesn't make it so.
There needs to be a proof of some kind, some demonstration, some type of reason. If a Life is meaningful, then how is it so? This should be something easy to demonstrate...unless Meaning in Life is rare, and NOT common.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmBut now you are implying that you do NOT tell "others" NOR even "yourself" the Truth (capital T), which therefore, according to your OWN "logic" here, MEANS that you do NOT care of "others" NOR even "yourself".
In a way, yes, what a person knows of capital T Truth, does demonstrate their ability to care, for others and himself.
Self-deception is simply self-hatred. So it is no small thing for a person to delude him or herself. I believe self-deception is the norm, not the exception. Because it's too easy to lie. It's too easy to claim
anything, and not be held accountable to that claim. Think of what it would entail, if your words *MUST* align with reality. Think of how daunting and damning that would be. For example, that if you didn't know absolutely everything at all times, then your ignorance could be used against you, and it would be.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmYes, and because life is Unequal, mistreating others has consequences. It is only under your presumed "Equality" that mistreating a person has NO CONSEQUENCE.
Well this is one Truly WEIRD and ABSURD ASSUMPTION. Besides being absolutely Wrong and Incorrect, it is just down right and out right PURE NONSENSE.
How is it nonsense?
If a person behaves Goodly, then you reward him or her. If a person behaves Evily, then you punish him or her.
Inequality is the norm. You don't treat Good and Evil "equally".
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmLet us NOT FORGET that 'that' was your OWN ASSUMPTION, and CONCLUSION here.
And, let us ALSO NOT FORGET that you just AGREED that it is CORRECT that 'you' can
MISTREAT absolutely ANY one, ANY way 'you' like, just because 'you' BELIEVE that they are NOT EQUAL to 'you', and so, to 'you', there some people who are LESS than 'you' are.
Also, what are the consequences of MISTREATING people who are LESS THAN 'you'?
What were the 'consequences' to "slave" OWNERS, besides having FREE LABOR?
Or, what were the 'consequences' to those who STOLE land from "others", who were considered LESS THAN?
If, and WHEN, one BELIEVES that "others" are LESS THAN that one, and that one BELIEVES that they can MISTREAT "others" in ANY way they like, BECAUSE the "others" are LESS THAN that one, then, SERIOUSLY, what 'consequences' could or would exist?
I didn't imply that mistreating people will always reward the one who does so. Sometimes those who mistreat others are brought to Justice, but sometimes they're not.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmWHY DEFLECT here?
It was 'you' who SAID and STATED, VERY CLEARLY:
So, over-indulgence is the definition of addiction and abuse
Therefore, HOW MANY drinks can a man and/or a woman have BEFORE they so-call "over indulge"?
If you 'try to' DEFLECT, AGAIN, here, then what you REALLY KNOW, and REALLY DO NOT KNOW, becomes MORE OBVIOUS.
I ALREADY KNOW what the ANSWER here IS, but more and more are starting to CLEARLY SEE, and thus KNOW, ALSO.
It's common sense, that one person who imbibes a drug, does so medicinally, versus another person who is addicted to it and 'ABUSES' that drug.
This is why drug-"use" is not drug-"abuse". And with alcohol, it's obvious that some people have different tolerances and thresholds than others.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmBut there is NO so-called "negative claim"
You CLAIM that 'Life is NOT equal'. Thus, you are CLAIMING that the absolute Truth here IS: 'Life is NOT equal'.
And, I just PROVED this to be ABSOLUTELY True.
And, you WILL ALSO PROVE this to be ABSOLUTELY True, WHEN you are Honest and ADMIT that you BELIEVE absolutely and wholeheartedly that there is NO possibility that Life could be EQUAL, AT ALL, correct?
Look how easy it is to disprove what you say though!
All I have to do is demonstrate that not all life is fed EQUALLY, and I'm right and you're wrong.
*YOU* are the one claiming "Equality" in Life, not me. All I have to do is show that all life is not fed equally, and it's not.
So you are claiming something that does NOT exist, which is, "Equality" in Nature. It doesn't exist.
Now you can go feed two dogs an "equal" amount of food. But will you do it forever? Will you do it at the same time? Will you do it, for all dogs? Will you do it, for all life? No, therefore, No.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmLOL WHY do 'you', human beings, ADD the 'philosophical' word into places where it REALLY is NOT necessary?
And, WHY PRESUME that MOST people are lying, from the VERY start?
This is a CLEAR SIGN of just how MUCH DAMAGE has been done to you ALREADY.
Furthermore, WHO are in the 'MOST' group? And, how do you DISTINGUISH them apart, from the VERY start?
No, it's just a matter of Intelligence.
When I ask people, and most of them answer, "The Meaning of Life, is to live", then I can deduce from that, that they either do NOT have a significant or uncommon Meaning of Life, or they believe they do, but they're just not talking about it publicly. So this puts people into two groups: those that do not have any real Meaning of Life, versus those who believe they do, but won't speak publicly about that Meaning.
And then I investigated more. What people have told me privately, about their "Meaning of Life", is very protected. People guard that, because they want to be significant, important, loved, cared for, and especially, thought of as "unique individuals". So, if a person is "found out", or discovered, as
not significant or
not unique, then their "Meaning of Life" is destroyed.
So it's common sense why people would hide this, and be very cowardly about it. Because they safe guard their very
Essence of Life Itself.
So, now, you have no cause to make such accusations and implications as you did. It's very disrespectful, especially when you do not present your own Meaning of Life as honestly and forthright as any other, who maybe much more cowardly. Because then you, and I, are compared to them.
I asked. I made this thread. I came here, and asked this forum, a "philosophy" forum, so I expect answers. I expect
the best answers. If you cannot answer them, or others here cannot, then is it really a 'philosophy' forum?? I don't think it is.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:12 pmIf no, then HOW do you KNOW?
Have you gone and got 'your chromosomes' CHECKED?
It's basic scientific knowledge. Chromosomes program your gender/sex, XY is male, XX is female.