Philosophy

[FlashDangerpants]

At any point, have you stopped to wonder if you might have overintepreted what it means to say that morals have more in common with customs, fashions and beliefs than they do with objectively demonstrable fact?

You are misrepresenting your oponent and if you get a sense that they disrespect you in turn, you might have earned it.

How are they subjective when homosexuality and transexuality can be linked directly to the rise and fall of imperial societies/empires?

When economic boons come after great military victories, and hedonism makes societies weak given enough time?

What argument are you trying to make about the logical status of moral evaluative langauge with that disassembled hedgehog of bullshit?

[Wizard22]

Okay. In the meantime, you should think about that reciprocity problem.

Your entire theory depends upon a single reciprocal property right and that reciprocity is the actual underlying principle of your thing. So you need a much more convincing answer for the hypocrisy thing, and you can't afford to ground it on hypocrisy -> lies -> theft because that ruins your whole day.

There's a reason why every single religion has a version of the golden rule (do unto others as...), and why Kant's categorical imperative centres also on the subject of hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is pivotal in addressing (im)morality in general; there are countless nuances to it. But it does boil down to lying. People attempt to impose moral/ethical structures/standards upon others, that they themselves have no intention of abiding. This applies to truth and honesty, even in simple discussions and arguments. It's about "intellectual honesty", and the sets of premises and presumptions (Values) that individuals have, that they bring to every social interaction.

I'd base Morality generally on Theft.

Theft of property,
Theft of sex (rape),
Theft of life (assault/murder).

Being "entitled" to other people's property, including taxation, sets a standard for (im)morality for the particular society. Every society in human history has some form of parasitism (theft from "The Elites" or "Deep State" which is justified for their own benefit, to the detriment of those who server under them).

[Wizard22]

I think my recent response suffices your question, so consider it.

[henry quirk]

Wizard,

And if we don't *, then they threaten our bank accounts, our livelihoods, our social media reputation, etc.

Indeed. The solution is to harden your life against such attacks.

What the enemy can't touch, the enemy can't damage.



*cater to their delusions

I think that's the crux of this thread now...humanity is giving into the delusions of postmodernity.

It's a distraction at best, potentially deadly at worst.

We're spendin' too much time worryin' about symptoms and ignorin' the disease.

[Iwannaplato]

Okay. In the meantime, you should think about that reciprocity problem.

Your entire theory depends upon a single reciprocal property right and that reciprocity is the actual underlying principle of your thing. So you need a much more convincing answer for the hypocrisy thing, and you can't afford to ground it on hypocrisy -> lies -> theft because that ruins your whole day.

There's a reason why every single religion has a version of the golden rule (do unto others as...), and why Kant's categorical imperative centres also on the subject of hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is pivotal in addressing (im)morality in general; there are countless nuances to it. But it does boil down to lying. People attempt to impose moral/ethical structures/standards upon others, that they themselves have no intention of abiding. This applies to truth and honesty, even in simple discussions and arguments. It's about "intellectual honesty", and the sets of premises and presumptions (Values) that individuals have, that they bring to every social interaction.

I'd base Morality generally on Theft.

Theft of property,
Theft of sex (rape),
Theft of life (assault/murder).

Being "entitled" to other people's property, including taxation, sets a standard for (im)morality for the particular society. Every society in human history has some form of parasitism (theft from "The Elites" or "Deep State" which is justified for their own benefit, to the detriment of those who server under them).

What should be done in the transition from tribe to larger groups that need resources to solve common problems. Tribes shared with each other. You generally did not need to tax. If some family was starving, you'd look like an ass if you didn't share with them while others did. So, we get to the bigger and bigger societies. How do we fund paying for roads, etc.`? Donations?

[Wizard22]

We're spendin' too much time worryin' about symptoms and ignorin' the disease.

What is your diagnosis?

[Wizard22]

What should be done in the transition from tribe to larger groups that need resources to solve common problems. Tribes shared with each other. You generally did not need to tax. If some family was starving, you'd look like an ass if you didn't share with them while others did. So, we get to the bigger and bigger societies. How do we fund paying for roads, etc.`? Donations?

Like the first settlers in the United States moving West, you make em.

They didn't need taxes to carve-out their paths in the new world.


As for transitioning from a tribe to a full-fledged Empire, I don't think there any easy or simple solutions or answers. History leaves for us the past attempts, success and failures. So it's critical to understand what happened before, lest those mistakes repeat. And many of those mistakes, are repeating verbatim. When it comes to morality, Discipline is an essential ingredient. It's easy to be Disciplined when societies are starving and you need to measure how much food you eat, to ration. It's difficult to be disciplined when food is abundant and the economy is booming. Obesity is the result of lack of discipline (of diet). Homosexuality/Transexuality/Etc. (promiscuity) is the result of lack of discipline of sexual appetite.

[Age]

What should be done in the transition from tribe to larger groups that need resources to solve common problems. Tribes shared with each other. You generally did not need to tax. If some family was starving, you'd look like an ass if you didn't share with them while others did. So, we get to the bigger and bigger societies. How do we fund paying for roads, etc.`? Donations?

Like the first settlers in the United States moving West, you make em.

They didn't need taxes to carve-out their paths in the new world.


As for transitioning from a tribe to a full-fledged Empire, I don't think there any easy or simple solutions or answers. History leaves for us the past attempts, success and failures. So it's critical to understand what happened before, lest those mistakes repeat. And many of those mistakes, are repeating verbatim. When it comes to morality, Discipline is an essential ingredient.

'Discipline' in what way?

It's easy to be Disciplined when societies are starving and you need to measure how much food you eat, to ration. It's difficult to be disciplined when food is abundant and the economy is booming. Obesity is the result of lack of discipline (of diet). Homosexuality/Transexuality/Etc. (promiscuity) is the result of lack of discipline of sexual appetite.

Where did 'sexual appetite' come from?

[Wizard22]

'Discipline' in what way?

In the way that, in an Abundant society, a person should ration his/her diet so not to overindulge and become overweight or obese, or become too sedentary/lazy/apathetic by not exercising or interacting with nature.

Where did 'sexual appetite' come from?

Sexual appetite comes naturally during the Pubescent/Adolescent stages, and then is quickly contaminated in Western society through a mixture of loose morals on television, actively promoting homo/transexuality to children in public schools, pornography, and absence of strict religious Morals/Ethics.

[Iwannaplato]

Like the first settlers in the United States moving West, you make em.
They didn't need taxes to carve-out their paths in the new world.

They had trails, and habitual routes that kept the plants down. Who pays for the various heavy machines that make modern roads and the labor?

[Wizard22]

It's already established that roads are made by those who want them, not from taxes.

[Belinda]

'Discipline' in what way?

In the way that, in an Abundant society, a person should ration his/her diet so not to overindulge and become overweight or obese, or become too sedentary/lazy/apathetic by not exercising or interacting with nature.

Where did 'sexual appetite' come from?

Sexual appetite comes naturally during the Pubescent/Adolescent stages, and then is quickly contaminated in Western society through a mixture of loose morals on television, actively promoting homo/transexuality to children in public schools, pornography, and absence of strict religious Morals/Ethics.

So Wizard is not a professional educationist.

[Wizard22]

That's a compliment, seeing what counts as "Professional" in 2022, thank you.

[Belinda]

That's a compliment, seeing what counts as "Professional" in 2022, thank you.

Where did your distrust of intellectualism come from?

[Wizard22]

Outsmarting them.