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The human mind is that which observes the patterns of the human mind, the patterns of the human mind are the observation of patterns. The human mind exists where it observes the observation of patterns.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:40 am The human mind is that which observes the patterns of the human mind, the patterns of the human mind are the observation of patterns. The human mind exists where it observes the observation of patterns.
Do you wake up in the morning, take a shower and then dry your hair with your microwave oven? Or are you under the influence of psychopharmacology? It sounds like you are in immediate need of a bib.

A mind is one one of the life support systems of a living organism. As such it has a well-defined biologically determined job to perform and well-defined physically determined means of doing its job. A mind, through the foundation of memory, recursively uses that memory to determine human will, human behavior, as well as the behavior's of every thing one has experience with. This has been called many names, from the ability to predict behavior, or computation, to the Art of Prophecy. By virtualizing our environment, we can construct working models in order to choose the best behavior for survival. Now, the more intelligent a mind is, the more effective it is in memory management.
But I have to warn you, if you cannot remember anything real philosophers have written on the topic, you have no memories to manage, i.e., you are apparently definitely ignorant, but how much of a fool are you has yet to be determined.
Pattern recognition. What pattern is everything based on? Now, this is in the metaphor's of the Bible, Plato called it dialectic. What do we call it when used to construct computers?

How many parts of speech are there if one has recognized the universal pattern called the unit or a thing? What do the words relatives and correlatives mean?
By definition of a thing, is it even possible to manage information by any other means than by simple binary recursion?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:40 am The human mind is that which observes the patterns of the human mind, the patterns of the human mind are the observation of patterns. The human mind exists where it observes the observation of patterns.
Yes this is true. The patterns observed create the observer in the exact same instance of recognition. An observer implies there is some thing to observe. If there is nothing to observe, then there is no observer. Both the observer and the observed have to exist simultaneously in the instantaneous immediacy of knowing. This is what the human mind is.


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The human mind has as its first idea the experience of the body, it observes this body out in the external world sensing and through it thus comes to know the world according to it own biology, a biological readout. The human mind is an open system and one must be wary of mind's body accquireing habits or practices that would close its open wonder for it potential is a world and a cosmos.
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popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:08 am The human mind has as its first idea the experience of the body, it observes this body out in the external world sensing and through it thus comes to know the world according to it own biology, a biological readout. The human mind is an open system and one must be wary of mind's body accquireing habits or practices that would close its open wonder for it potential is a world and a cosmos.
I'm sorry, I did not know this was a bib party.

So, the mind can perceive the body? which does this mind of your choose from, the perception of the perceptions of the body, or the perceptions by the body which it turns into memory?
Go ahead, toss a coin.
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Phil8659 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:49 am
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:08 am The human mind has as its first idea the experience of the body, it observes this body out in the external world sensing and through it thus comes to know the world according to it own biology, a biological readout. The human mind is an open system and one must be wary of mind's body accquireing habits or practices that would close its open wonder for it potential is a world and a cosmos.
I'm sorry, I did not know this was a bib party.

So, the mind can perceive the body? which does this mind of your choose from, the perception of the perceptions of the body, or the perceptions by the body which it turns into memory?
Go ahead, toss a coin.
PHI,

It is only through the alterations of the body that you know an apparent reality in the form of experience/reaction which it can then file away for future reference. Chose from? it doesn't choose from, it reacts to the outer stimulus which becomes a biological readout of the mind/body consciousness. Apparent reality must be manifest before choices can be made. What's a bib party?
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Re: The Human Mind

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:40 am The human mind is that which observes the patterns of the human mind,
the patterns of the human mind are the observation of patterns.
The human mind exists where it observes the observation of patterns.
As usual you are being rhetorical and only playing with words and not dealing with reality.

There is the empirical self of the empirical person who has a 'mind' defined as;
The mind is the set of faculties responsible for mental phenomena.
Often the term is also identified with the phenomena themselves.[2][3][4]
These faculties include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation.
They are responsible for various mental phenomena, like perception, pain experience, belief, desire, intention and emotion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind
The human mind is NOT merely "that which observes the patterns of the human mind".
The observation of patterns is merely one function of the mind where the pattern observed are that of the external nature.
  • Observation[1] is the active acquisition of information from a primary source. In living beings, observation employs the senses.
    WIKI
  • A sense is a biological system used by an organism for sensation, the process of gathering information about the world and responding to stimuli.
    WIKI
Sense is restricted to the sensory organs and functions [sensation].

As stated above, "These faculties [of the mind] include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation." As such, sensation where observation of patterns is done does not represent the whole mind and the subliminal activities [not manifestations] of thought, imagination, memory, & Will are not observed.

So the human mind DO NOT "exists where it observes the observation of patterns." [which is merely the sensation faculty]

Rather the human mind exists as a set of faculties within the empirical self or the empirical person. [note empirical is critical in this case - there is no non-empirical soul]
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Re: The Human Mind

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:40 am The human mind is that which observes the patterns of the human mind,
the patterns of the human mind are the observation of patterns.
The human mind exists where it observes the observation of patterns.
As usual you are being rhetorical and only playing with words and not dealing with reality.

There is the empirical self of the empirical person who has a 'mind' defined as;
The mind is the set of faculties responsible for mental phenomena.
Often the term is also identified with the phenomena themselves.[2][3][4]
These faculties include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation.
They are responsible for various mental phenomena, like perception, pain experience, belief, desire, intention and emotion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind
The human mind is NOT merely "that which observes the patterns of the human mind".
The observation of patterns is merely one function of the mind where the pattern observed are that of the external nature.
  • Observation[1] is the active acquisition of information from a primary source. In living beings, observation employs the senses.
    WIKI
  • A sense is a biological system used by an organism for sensation, the process of gathering information about the world and responding to stimuli.
    WIKI
Sense is restricted to the sensory organs and functions [sensation].

As stated above, "These faculties [of the mind] include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation." As such, sensation where observation of patterns is done does not represent the whole mind and the subliminal activities [not manifestations] of thought, imagination, memory, & Will are not observed. So the human mind DO NOT "exists where it observes the observation of patterns." [which is merely the sensation faculty]

Rather the human mind exists as a set of faculties within the empirical self or the empirical person. [note empirical is critical in this case - there is no non-empirical soul]
Eodnhoj,

It would be fair to assume that only half of one's brain/mind is encased in one's skull the other half is stimulus from what is called ultimate reality which according to modern science is a place of no things but simply energy. Ultimate reality differs from apparent reality in that as Einstein states apparent reality is an illusion, a persistent one but an illusion nonetheless. To me this means that apparent reality is a biological readout of the surrounding energies, the effect of these energies alters the body affecting a biological reaction which then becomes apparent reality. Energy comes in frequencies patterns there of so I assume at least these patterns are not created by the reaction of one's biology but simply interpreted according to the state of one's biology. As to the empirical self, the self would be that which experiences, if you are experiencing anything you are a self, and as that self you are the centre of a world.
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popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:01 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 am Rather the human mind exists as a set of faculties within the empirical self or the empirical person. [note empirical is critical in this case - there is no non-empirical soul]
It would be fair to assume that only half of one's brain/mind is encased in one's skull the other half is stimulus from what is called ultimate reality which according to modern science is a place of no things but simply energy. Ultimate reality differs from apparent reality in that as Einstein states apparent reality is an illusion, a persistent one but an illusion nonetheless. To me this means that apparent reality is a biological readout of the surrounding energies, the effect of these energies alters the body affecting a biological reaction which then becomes apparent reality. Energy comes in frequencies patterns there of so I assume at least these patterns are not created by the reaction of one's biology but simply interpreted according to the state of one's biology. As to the empirical self, the self would be that which experiences, if you are experiencing anything you are a self, and that self is the center of your world.
My response was restricted to the OP.

I would not refer to ultimate reality in the absolute sense.

Reality is all-there-is.
Thus the empirical person and his mind is part and parcel of reality and emerges out of all-there-is.
In this case 'energy' [fundamental] is also a part of 'all-there-is' and yes, the patterns are interpreted according to the state of one's biology.
Actually what is energy is merely something plain and the patterns created are actually created by the mind [a priori and a posteriori] and at the same time observed by the mind faculty of observation.

A blind bat will merely 'see' clusters of sonar patterns.
A molecular size virus will only sense molecules floating every and not the same patterns as humans or bats observe.

The point is WHO ARE WE HUMANS to decide that whatever patterns we observed are the real final things?
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:17 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:01 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 am Rather the human mind exists as a set of faculties within the empirical self or the empirical person. [note empirical is critical in this case - there is no non-empirical soul]
It would be fair to assume that only half of one's brain/mind is encased in one's skull the other half is stimulus from what is called ultimate reality which according to modern science is a place of no things but simply energy. Ultimate reality differs from apparent reality in that as Einstein states apparent reality is an illusion, a persistent one but an illusion nonetheless. To me this means that apparent reality is a biological readout of the surrounding energies, the effect of these energies alters the body affecting a biological reaction which then becomes apparent reality. Energy comes in frequencies patterns there of so I assume at least these patterns are not created by the reaction of one's biology but simply interpreted according to the state of one's biology. As to the empirical self, the self would be that which experiences, if you are experiencing anything you are a self, and that self is the center of your world.
My response was restricted to the OP.

I would not refer to ultimate reality in the absolute sense.

Reality is all-there-is.
Thus the empirical person and his mind is part and parcel of reality and emerges out of all-there-is.
In this case 'energy' [fundamental] is also a part of 'all-there-is' and yes, the patterns are interpreted according to the state of one's biology.
Actually what is energy is merely something plain and the patterns created are actually created by the mind [a priori and a posteriori] and at the same time observed by the mind faculty of observation.

A blind bat will merely 'see' clusters of sonar patterns.
A molecular size virus will only sense molecules floating every and not the same patterns as humans or bats observe.

The point is WHO ARE WE HUMANS to decide that whatever patterns we observed are the real final things?
Veritas,

EXCELLENT!!! As to whatever patterns we observed being the real and final things. I think it is safe to say the patterns observed are true to the biology that experiences them. The biology may be impaired in some way but the experience would be true to that biological state. Why do you say I would not refer to ultimate reality in the absolute state? The patterns experienced would be frequencies which is a pattern but it might not be what the biology experiences for apparent reality is biological reaction an interpretation a readout. If one wished to experience a different apparent reality one would simply alter one's biology as is done by many through drugs.
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Phil8659 wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:40 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:40 am The human mind is that which observes the patterns of the human mind, the patterns of the human mind are the observation of patterns. The human mind exists where it observes the observation of patterns.
Do you wake up in the morning, take a shower and then dry your hair with your microwave oven? Or are you under the influence of psychopharmacology? It sounds like you are in immediate need of a bib.

A mind is one one of the life support systems of a living organism. As such it has a well-defined biologically determined job to perform and well-defined physically determined means of doing its job. A mind, through the foundation of memory, recursively uses that memory to determine human will, human behavior, as well as the behavior's of every thing one has experience with. This has been called many names, from the ability to predict behavior, or computation, to the Art of Prophecy. By virtualizing our environment, we can construct working models in order to choose the best behavior for survival. Now, the more intelligent a mind is, the more effective it is in memory management.
But I have to warn you, if you cannot remember anything real philosophers have written on the topic, you have no memories to manage, i.e., you are apparently definitely ignorant, but how much of a fool are you has yet to be determined.
Pattern recognition. What pattern is everything based on? Now, this is in the metaphor's of the Bible, Plato called it dialectic. What do we call it when used to construct computers?

How many parts of speech are there if one has recognized the universal pattern called the unit or a thing? What do the words relatives and correlatives mean?
By definition of a thing, is it even possible to manage information by any other means than by simple binary recursion?
1. Survival is dependent upon the cycles of life and death and as such leads neither backwards or forwards. To base all upon survival is a childish concept. There are many who wish to survive and many who do not, survival is relative.

2. The universal pattern is convergence and divergence of phenomena, separation and union. In observing this pattern we further commit to meta-separations/unions. This dualism is definition and this dualism is composed of further dualisms considering seperation/union require two phenomena existing at minimum.

3. Information is dualistic in nature and as such is circular as one phenomenon eventually alternate to the other then back.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:17 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:01 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 am Rather the human mind exists as a set of faculties within the empirical self or the empirical person. [note empirical is critical in this case - there is no non-empirical soul]
It would be fair to assume that only half of one's brain/mind is encased in one's skull the other half is stimulus from what is called ultimate reality which according to modern science is a place of no things but simply energy. Ultimate reality differs from apparent reality in that as Einstein states apparent reality is an illusion, a persistent one but an illusion nonetheless. To me this means that apparent reality is a biological readout of the surrounding energies, the effect of these energies alters the body affecting a biological reaction which then becomes apparent reality. Energy comes in frequencies patterns there of so I assume at least these patterns are not created by the reaction of one's biology but simply interpreted according to the state of one's biology. As to the empirical self, the self would be that which experiences, if you are experiencing anything you are a self, and that self is the center of your world.
My response was restricted to the OP.

I would not refer to ultimate reality in the absolute sense.

Reality is all-there-is.
Thus the empirical person and his mind is part and parcel of reality and emerges out of all-there-is.
In this case 'energy' [fundamental] is also a part of 'all-there-is' and yes, the patterns are interpreted according to the state of one's biology.
Actually what is energy is merely something plain and the patterns created are actually created by the mind [a priori and a posteriori] and at the same time observed by the mind faculty of observation.

A blind bat will merely 'see' clusters of sonar patterns.
A molecular size virus will only sense molecules floating every and not the same patterns as humans or bats observe.

The point is WHO ARE WE HUMANS to decide that whatever patterns we observed are the real final things?
1. "All there is" is the totality and the totality is absolute as it has no contrast or comparison given it is relative only to itself.

2. WHO ARE WE HUMANS to decide that whatever questions we ask are really valid?
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Re: The Human Mind

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:40 am The human mind is that which observes the patterns of the human mind,
the patterns of the human mind are the observation of patterns.
The human mind exists where it observes the observation of patterns.
As usual you are being rhetorical and only playing with words and not dealing with reality.

There is the empirical self of the empirical person who has a 'mind' defined as;
The mind is the set of faculties responsible for mental phenomena.
Often the term is also identified with the phenomena themselves.[2][3][4]
These faculties include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation.
They are responsible for various mental phenomena, like perception, pain experience, belief, desire, intention and emotion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind
The human mind is NOT merely "that which observes the patterns of the human mind".
The observation of patterns is merely one function of the mind where the pattern observed are that of the external nature.
  • Observation[1] is the active acquisition of information from a primary source. In living beings, observation employs the senses.
    WIKI
  • A sense is a biological system used by an organism for sensation, the process of gathering information about the world and responding to stimuli.
    WIKI
Sense is restricted to the sensory organs and functions [sensation].

As stated above, "These faculties [of the mind] include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation." As such, sensation where observation of patterns is done does not represent the whole mind and the subliminal activities [not manifestations] of thought, imagination, memory, & Will are not observed.

So the human mind DO NOT "exists where it observes the observation of patterns." [which is merely the sensation faculty]

Rather the human mind exists as a set of faculties within the empirical self or the empirical person. [note empirical is critical in this case - there is no non-empirical soul]
1. Empiricism is an abstraction as it is the interpretation of the senses.

2. The mind being responsible for mental phenomenon and the mind, as an interpretation, is a mental phenomenon (as it is subject to observation) thus we go in circles.

3. Both the gathering and acquisition of information are the same thing thus sense and observation are false dichotomies in one respect. This can be furthered given that the mind, through the brain, is a biological entity therefore resulting in the sensing of abstractions having a blurred line with that of the remaining physical senses given the mind may be argued as a sense organ as well.

4. We makes abstractions from the physical and physicalize abstractions, both are intertwined to such a high degree that neither can be completely separated.

5. Sense cannot be limited to sensory organs given we sense our senses, that is unless you want to make the brain a sensory organism which observes itself thus leading us circles.

6. If there are multiple dimensions to reality then the soul is empirical from a different context.

7. The reduction of reality, through continual analysis, to no-thingness results in reality being an absence of thingness. God/Soul is thus no-thing as it coincides with the end of many reductions.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:08 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:17 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:01 am

It would be fair to assume that only half of one's brain/mind is encased in one's skull the other half is stimulus from what is called ultimate reality which according to modern science is a place of no things but simply energy. Ultimate reality differs from apparent reality in that as Einstein states apparent reality is an illusion, a persistent one but an illusion nonetheless. To me this means that apparent reality is a biological readout of the surrounding energies, the effect of these energies alters the body affecting a biological reaction which then becomes apparent reality. Energy comes in frequencies patterns there of so I assume at least these patterns are not created by the reaction of one's biology but simply interpreted according to the state of one's biology. As to the empirical self, the self would be that which experiences, if you are experiencing anything you are a self, and that self is the center of your world.
My response was restricted to the OP.

I would not refer to ultimate reality in the absolute sense.

Reality is all-there-is.
Thus the empirical person and his mind is part and parcel of reality and emerges out of all-there-is.
In this case 'energy' [fundamental] is also a part of 'all-there-is' and yes, the patterns are interpreted according to the state of one's biology.
Actually what is energy is merely something plain and the patterns created are actually created by the mind [a priori and a posteriori] and at the same time observed by the mind faculty of observation.

A blind bat will merely 'see' clusters of sonar patterns.
A molecular size virus will only sense molecules floating every and not the same patterns as humans or bats observe.

The point is WHO ARE WE HUMANS to decide that whatever patterns we observed are the real final things?
1. "All there is" is the totality and the totality is absolute as it has no contrast or comparison given it is relative only to itself.

2. WHO ARE WE HUMANS to decide that whatever questions we ask are really valid?
"All there is" is an idea without referent.
To reified as a 'totality' is an impossibility to be real.

Within "All there is", 'X-is ... '
whatever is 'X' thereof must be verified and justified within a FSK of which the scientific FSK is the most credible.

Whatever the questions, they can remain suspended if no answers are agreed upon, there is no issue with that.
What is critical is when one make the claim 'x is ..'
as above, whatever is x thereof must be verified and justified within a FSK of which the scientific FSK is the most credible.
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Re: The Human Mind

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:23 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:40 am The human mind is that which observes the patterns of the human mind,
the patterns of the human mind are the observation of patterns.
The human mind exists where it observes the observation of patterns.
As usual you are being rhetorical and only playing with words and not dealing with reality.

There is the empirical self of the empirical person who has a 'mind' defined as;
The mind is the set of faculties responsible for mental phenomena.
Often the term is also identified with the phenomena themselves.[2][3][4]
These faculties include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation.
They are responsible for various mental phenomena, like perception, pain experience, belief, desire, intention and emotion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind
The human mind is NOT merely "that which observes the patterns of the human mind".
The observation of patterns is merely one function of the mind where the pattern observed are that of the external nature.
  • Observation[1] is the active acquisition of information from a primary source. In living beings, observation employs the senses.
    WIKI
  • A sense is a biological system used by an organism for sensation, the process of gathering information about the world and responding to stimuli.
    WIKI
Sense is restricted to the sensory organs and functions [sensation].

As stated above, "These faculties [of the mind] include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation." As such, sensation where observation of patterns is done does not represent the whole mind and the subliminal activities [not manifestations] of thought, imagination, memory, & Will are not observed.

So the human mind DO NOT "exists where it observes the observation of patterns." [which is merely the sensation faculty]

Rather the human mind exists as a set of faculties within the empirical self or the empirical person. [note empirical is critical in this case - there is no non-empirical soul]
1. Empiricism is an abstraction as it is the interpretation of the senses.

2. The mind being responsible for mental phenomenon and the mind, as an interpretation, is a mental phenomenon (as it is subject to observation) thus we go in circles.

3. Both the gathering and acquisition of information are the same thing thus sense and observation are false dichotomies in one respect. This can be furthered given that the mind, through the brain, is a biological entity therefore resulting in the sensing of abstractions having a blurred line with that of the remaining physical senses given the mind may be argued as a sense organ as well.

4. We makes abstractions from the physical and physicalize abstractions, both are intertwined to such a high degree that neither can be completely separated.

5. Sense cannot be limited to sensory organs given we sense our senses, that is unless you want to make the brain a sensory organism which observes itself thus leading us circles.

6. If there are multiple dimensions to reality then the soul is empirical from a different context.

7. The reduction of reality, through continual analysis, to no-thingness results in reality being an absence of thingness. God/Soul is thus no-thing as it coincides with the end of many reductions.
You are just playing with words and insulting your own intelligence with your ignorance of human nature.

We don't "sense" our senses [sensibility] with our senses [sensibility].
We are aware of our sense organs which senses via the 'intellect' [the so-called "Understanding"] i.e. thinking, reasoning, inferring, judging, and the likes.

Note non-humans has their senses but they don't sense their senses.
It is only humans who has a higher level of self consciousness and intellectual capacity who can infer the existence of their sense organs and ability to sense.
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