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Eodnhoj7
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Re: The Human Mind

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:01 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:08 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:17 am
My response was restricted to the OP.

I would not refer to ultimate reality in the absolute sense.

Reality is all-there-is.
Thus the empirical person and his mind is part and parcel of reality and emerges out of all-there-is.
In this case 'energy' [fundamental] is also a part of 'all-there-is' and yes, the patterns are interpreted according to the state of one's biology.
Actually what is energy is merely something plain and the patterns created are actually created by the mind [a priori and a posteriori] and at the same time observed by the mind faculty of observation.

A blind bat will merely 'see' clusters of sonar patterns.
A molecular size virus will only sense molecules floating every and not the same patterns as humans or bats observe.

The point is WHO ARE WE HUMANS to decide that whatever patterns we observed are the real final things?
1. "All there is" is the totality and the totality is absolute as it has no contrast or comparison given it is relative only to itself.

2. WHO ARE WE HUMANS to decide that whatever questions we ask are really valid?
"All there is" is an idea without referent.
To reified as a 'totality' is an impossibility to be real.

Within "All there is", 'X-is ... '
whatever is 'X' thereof must be verified and justified within a FSK of which the scientific FSK is the most credible.

Whatever the questions, they can remain suspended if no answers are agreed upon, there is no issue with that.
What is critical is when one make the claim 'x is ..'
as above, whatever is x thereof must be verified and justified within a FSK of which the scientific FSK is the most credible.
"All that exists" is real.

But to delve into your point further:

What is the FSK that justifies an FSK? If all there is FSKs then FSK becomes ambiguous and can mean anything. "Credibility" is subjective and unless you argue it is an FSK (which falls under the logic loop of the sentence prior) then your FSKs belong to something beyond it which is not an FSK.
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Re: The Human Mind

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:08 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:23 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 am
As usual you are being rhetorical and only playing with words and not dealing with reality.

There is the empirical self of the empirical person who has a 'mind' defined as;



The human mind is NOT merely "that which observes the patterns of the human mind".
The observation of patterns is merely one function of the mind where the pattern observed are that of the external nature.
  • Observation[1] is the active acquisition of information from a primary source. In living beings, observation employs the senses.
    WIKI
  • A sense is a biological system used by an organism for sensation, the process of gathering information about the world and responding to stimuli.
    WIKI
Sense is restricted to the sensory organs and functions [sensation].

As stated above, "These faculties [of the mind] include thought, imagination, memory, will and sensation." As such, sensation where observation of patterns is done does not represent the whole mind and the subliminal activities [not manifestations] of thought, imagination, memory, & Will are not observed.

So the human mind DO NOT "exists where it observes the observation of patterns." [which is merely the sensation faculty]

Rather the human mind exists as a set of faculties within the empirical self or the empirical person. [note empirical is critical in this case - there is no non-empirical soul]
1. Empiricism is an abstraction as it is the interpretation of the senses.

2. The mind being responsible for mental phenomenon and the mind, as an interpretation, is a mental phenomenon (as it is subject to observation) thus we go in circles.

3. Both the gathering and acquisition of information are the same thing thus sense and observation are false dichotomies in one respect. This can be furthered given that the mind, through the brain, is a biological entity therefore resulting in the sensing of abstractions having a blurred line with that of the remaining physical senses given the mind may be argued as a sense organ as well.

4. We makes abstractions from the physical and physicalize abstractions, both are intertwined to such a high degree that neither can be completely separated.

5. Sense cannot be limited to sensory organs given we sense our senses, that is unless you want to make the brain a sensory organism which observes itself thus leading us circles.

6. If there are multiple dimensions to reality then the soul is empirical from a different context.

7. The reduction of reality, through continual analysis, to no-thingness results in reality being an absence of thingness. God/Soul is thus no-thing as it coincides with the end of many reductions.
You are just playing with words and insulting your own intelligence with your ignorance of human nature.

We don't "sense" our senses [sensibility] with our senses [sensibility].
We are aware of our sense organs which senses via the 'intellect' [the so-called "Understanding"] i.e. thinking, reasoning, inferring, judging, and the likes.

Note non-humans has their senses but they don't sense their senses.
It is only humans who has a higher level of self consciousness and intellectual capacity who can infer the existence of their sense organs and ability to sense.
1. FSKs are human nature thus subjective. As subjective the FSK is not universal thus resulting in conflicting FSKs. This conflict is contradiction thus anything results.

2. If we cannot "sense" our "senses" through the empirical senses then observation is beyond the empirical and we cannot justify truth through empirical FSKs. If anything we observe from beyond the senses and this observation is formless as it can observe observation and therefore it self-referential.

3. Proof is interpretation thus proof is subjective and not universal. As not universal it is not fully credible.
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Re: The Human Mind

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:14 pm You are just playing with words and insulting your own intelligence with your ignorance of human nature.

We don't "sense" our senses [sensibility] with our senses [sensibility].
We are aware of our sense organs which senses via the 'intellect' [the so-called "Understanding"] i.e. thinking, reasoning, inferring, judging, and the likes.

Note non-humans has their senses but they don't sense their senses.
It is only humans who has a higher level of self consciousness and intellectual capacity who can infer the existence of their sense organs and ability to sense.
1. FSKs are human nature thus subjective. As subjective the FSK is not universal thus resulting in conflicting FSKs. This conflict is contradiction thus anything results.

2. If we cannot "sense" our "senses" through the empirical senses then observation is beyond the empirical and we cannot justify truth through empirical FSKs. If anything we observe from beyond the senses and this observation is formless as it can observe observation and therefore it self-referential.

3. Proof is interpretation thus proof is subjective and not universal. As not universal it is not fully credible.
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Scientific facts emerge from the scientific FSK.
The scientific FSK is the most credible FSK i.e. the gold standard at present.
Yes, there are conflicting FSKs but what other FSKs can conflict and the challenge the scientific FSK. [the creationist's FSK on reality?]

Whatever you claim as truth, fact or knowledge, you need to compare it to the scientific FSK as the standard.
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Re: The Human Mind

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:59 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:14 pm You are just playing with words and insulting your own intelligence with your ignorance of human nature.

We don't "sense" our senses [sensibility] with our senses [sensibility].
We are aware of our sense organs which senses via the 'intellect' [the so-called "Understanding"] i.e. thinking, reasoning, inferring, judging, and the likes.

Note non-humans has their senses but they don't sense their senses.
It is only humans who has a higher level of self consciousness and intellectual capacity who can infer the existence of their sense organs and ability to sense.
1. FSKs are human nature thus subjective. As subjective the FSK is not universal thus resulting in conflicting FSKs. This conflict is contradiction thus anything results.

2. If we cannot "sense" our "senses" through the empirical senses then observation is beyond the empirical and we cannot justify truth through empirical FSKs. If anything we observe from beyond the senses and this observation is formless as it can observe observation and therefore it self-referential.

3. Proof is interpretation thus proof is subjective and not universal. As not universal it is not fully credible.
Scientific facts emerge from the scientific FSK.
The scientific FSK is the most credible FSK i.e. the gold standard at present.
Yes, there are conflicting FSKs but what other FSKs can conflict and the challenge the scientific FSK. [the creationist's FSK on reality?]

Whatever you claim as truth, fact or knowledge, you need to compare it to the scientific FSK as the standard.
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And what is the FSK that determines truth needing to be compared to the scientific FSK?
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Re: The Human Mind

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With full body consciousness, the community of the body is aware of the sense organs as it is aware of all its organs and their needs to which it must deliver the organs needed nutrients, levels of oxygen etc. The mind as not the sole property holder of consciousness, as multicellular organisms, we are a legion of conscious cells, organs and organelles. The organ of the mind is fed experiences of the energies of the physical world and the minds first idea is the body, through which it comes to know the world. A complex symbiosis as that which we are, it is an example of part to part, part to the whole, and the whole to each of its parts, a warm pulsating consciousness.
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