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Emergence, Realization of Reality & Description of It.

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Emergence, Realization of Reality & Description of It.
Peter Holmes wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:55 am Yay to that. That water is H2O is first an emergence and realisation within the chemistry framework and system of knowledge. An emergence and realisation of what? That something in reality is the case?

I wonder if this wriggling and wriggling, to defend a lost cause, ever feels even ever so slightly ridiculous.
Be mindfulness of your own ignorance before trying to be that arrogant.

PH: That something in reality is the case?
Note this refutation of your 'that is the case' here;
viewtopic.php?p=579574#p579574
Someone once said: "The world is all that is the case."
But, is it?
...
So the next time your friends think something is or isn't the case, consider interjecting with an argument from quantum physics: they're both wrong, and so are you, because even the simple fact of the disagreement itself is just another illusion.
https://amp.interestingengineering.com/ ... ve-reality
What I implied above is, that "Water is H2O" cannot be a standalone scientific fact but rather it has to be entangled with the human conditions, thus the emergence and realization of that entangled reality and thereafter the description of 'what is H20' in words and symbols for communication purposes.

Here is an example and a clue to 'emergence and realization' [Einstein Mask Illusion]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH9dAbPOR6M
You will note there are 'emergence' and 'realization' of two real convex 3D figures.

Anyone who is not informed of the 'background information' will surely proceed to describe the two emergences and realizations as two very real convex 3D figures, figure A and figure B.
As you can see, there is the difference between the emergence & realization of the reality and the description of that reality.
You cannot dispute this? Can you?

Since the above is a common experiment of visual empirical illusion, you have learned that one of the 'real' convex-3D mask [say figure-B] is actually a hollow concave mask.

Nevertheless what you cannot deny is real is, there are the emergence and realization of an illusory convex 3D figure. Thereafter one can describe the illusionary effect.

However, even when a one is aware that figure-B is a hollow concave thing, when the human conditions set upon and entangled with it [at every turn of it] and there is a emergence and realization of convex 3D figure which is cognized as 'real'.
In this situation, there is no way a human can see the hollow mask, but at every turn, there is an instant emergence and realization of a real 3D figure.

This is a solid demonstration of what is emergence and realization within yourself.

What the majority of people don't realize is,
figure A - the 'actual' convex-3D figure also undergo the same [as figure-B] emergence and realization of a convex-3D figure when the human conditions set upon and entangled with it [at every turn of it].
The point is because it is the default process that the majority are ignorant that there is an emergence and realization process going on with figure-A [the actual convex mask].
  • This what I have posted and insisting all the time;
    Your brain hallucinates your conscious reality
    viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25316

    We Are All Hallucinating All The Time
    "In a sense, we are all hallucinating all the time," Dr. Ramachandran said. "What we call normal vision is our selecting the hallucination that best fits reality."
The difference between the emergence and realization of the real figure A [the actual convex mask] and the real figure B [hollow mask] is a matter of degrees of reality.

Metaphysical /philosophical realists like you insist there is an independent convex-mask and an independent hollow-mask out there regardless of the human conditions.

Point is, whether there is;
1. a convex 3D mask
2. a hollow concave mask
3. a hollow concave mask turned into a convex 3D mask

all the above are emergence and realization in entanglement with the human conditions.

It is the same with the all other real things [water is H2O, etc.], they are all emergences and realizations in entanglement with the human conditions which we subsequently describe for communication purposes.

There is no reality-in-itself, fact-in-itself, all that-is-the-case as you are insisting upon. This is true in one perspective only, i.e. the 'kindergarten' common sense or conventional perspective just as the Newtonian perspective is relative to the QM perspective.

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