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P=-P IV

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The totality of being exists without comparison thus is a thing in itself and is absolute. The thing in itself is without comparison thus is indefinite which furthermore makes it no-thing. In the totality both "thing in itself" and "no-thing" equate.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:04 pm The totality of being exists without comparison thus is a thing in itself and is absolute. The thing in itself is without comparison thus is indefinite which furthermore makes it no-thing. In the totality both "thing in itself" and "no-thing" equate.
"thing in itself" is contradictory, but make us understand what God is.

"no-thing" is no contradictory, but make us NOT understand what God is.
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Re: P=-P IV

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CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 4:39 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:04 pm The totality of being exists without comparison thus is a thing in itself and is absolute. The thing in itself is without comparison thus is indefinite which furthermore makes it no-thing. In the totality both "thing in itself" and "no-thing" equate.
"thing in itself" is contradictory, but make us understand what God is.

"no-thing" is no contradictory, but make us NOT understand what God is.
"no-thing" is the self-negation of "thingness" thus is a contradiction.
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Re: P=-P IV

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 12:31 am
CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 4:39 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:04 pm The totality of being exists without comparison thus is a thing in itself and is absolute. The thing in itself is without comparison thus is indefinite which furthermore makes it no-thing. In the totality both "thing in itself" and "no-thing" equate.
"thing in itself" is contradictory, but make us understand what God is.

"no-thing" is no contradictory, but make us NOT understand what God is.
"no-thing" is the self-negation of "thingness" thus is a contradiction.
Eso es porque estás haciendo del "no-thing" como si fuese otra cosa. Pero no deberías.
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Re: P=-P IV

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CHNOPS wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 1:48 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 12:31 am
CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 4:39 am

"thing in itself" is contradictory, but make us understand what God is.

"no-thing" is no contradictory, but make us NOT understand what God is.
"no-thing" is the self-negation of "thingness" thus is a contradiction.
Eso es porque estás haciendo del "no-thing" como si fuese otra cosa. Pero no deberías.
So no-thing is not a negation of thingness? If no-thing is not a negation of thingness then no-thing is a thing.

Nothing can only be observed relatively; nothingness is a relationship. We know it is relative as it is an absence of thingness; A lacks a quality found in B and B lacks a quality found in A with these absence of qualities in said comparisons pointing to a relationship between the two. Thus to speak of nothing is to speak of relation and to speak of relation is to speak of contradiction as relationships occur through distinct phenomena; this distinctness of the relative phenomena point to opposition between said phenomenon thus a contradiction. Because relationships occur through distinctions when observing nothingness, as the absence of a quality, we are not only observing a relationship but a contradiction.


"That's because you're making the "no-thing" as if it were something else. But you shouldn't."

And why shouldn't I, what is there to stop me? In refering to nothing as "it" you are making nothing into something.
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Re: P=-P IV

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"0 humans in the house" means that there is only the house.

Nothingness is beyond that concept. Nothingness is not a relationship.

We can't percive nothingness.

Nothingness is only posible before the origin of universe.

And you have nothing to compare... just nothing.
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Re: P=-P IV

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CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:20 pm "0 humans in the house" means that there is only the house.

Nothingness is beyond that concept. Nothingness is not a relationship.

We can't percive nothingness.

Nothingness is only posible before the origin of universe.

And you have nothing to compare... just nothing.
The universe (ie "the totality") is without comparison, as only the universe (ie "the totality") exists, thus is indefinite.
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Re: P=-P IV

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:04 am
CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:20 pm "0 humans in the house" means that there is only the house.

Nothingness is beyond that concept. Nothingness is not a relationship.

We can't percive nothingness.

Nothingness is only posible before the origin of universe.

And you have nothing to compare... just nothing.
The universe (ie "the totality") is without comparison, as only the universe (ie "the totality") exists, thus is indefinite.
Universe == all the forms that are appearing rigth now.

we cannot compare the universe with other forms that are apearing rigth now because then the "universe" is not the universe and is just (universe - that others forms)

That is rigth.

Just a comment.... God is not the universe. Is not a form. And we can not compare it neither.


When we think that time is happening is because we compare like if at least one form is not changing... but that is false.
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CHNOPS wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:04 am
CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:20 pm "0 humans in the house" means that there is only the house.

Nothingness is beyond that concept. Nothingness is not a relationship.

We can't percive nothingness.

Nothingness is only posible before the origin of universe.

And you have nothing to compare... just nothing.
The universe (ie "the totality") is without comparison, as only the universe (ie "the totality") exists, thus is indefinite.
Universe == all the forms that are appearing rigth now.

we cannot compare the universe with other forms that are apearing rigth now because then the "universe" is not the universe and is just (universe - that others forms)

That is rigth.

Just a comment.... God is not the universe. Is not a form. And we can not compare it neither.


When we think that time is happening is because we compare like if at least one form is not changing... but that is false.
If the being results in being then a self-referentiality occurs thus resulting in awareness. This awareness is universal because of being through being occurs everywhere that there is being. As such the universe appears only to itself and as appearing to itself appears as nothing as it has no comparison; observation at is purest form is without definition, we know this because a beginner's mind is without form as it would not be a beginner's mind if it had form.
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Re: P=-P IV

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 12:43 am
CHNOPS wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:04 am

The universe (ie "the totality") is without comparison, as only the universe (ie "the totality") exists, thus is indefinite.
Universe == all the forms that are appearing rigth now.

we cannot compare the universe with other forms that are apearing rigth now because then the "universe" is not the universe and is just (universe - that others forms)

That is rigth.

Just a comment.... God is not the universe. Is not a form. And we can not compare it neither.


When we think that time is happening is because we compare like if at least one form is not changing... but that is false.
If the being results in being then a self-referentiality occurs thus resulting in awareness. This awareness is universal because of being through being occurs everywhere that there is being. As such the universe appears only to itself and as appearing to itself appears as nothing as it has no comparison; observation at is purest form is without definition, we know this because a beginner's mind is without form as it would not be a beginner's mind if it had form.
Is not always with beings, you are every form. When you realize it, you have just silence.
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Re: P=-P IV

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CHNOPS wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:21 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 12:43 am
CHNOPS wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:16 am

Universe == all the forms that are appearing rigth now.

we cannot compare the universe with other forms that are apearing rigth now because then the "universe" is not the universe and is just (universe - that others forms)

That is rigth.

Just a comment.... God is not the universe. Is not a form. And we can not compare it neither.


When we think that time is happening is because we compare like if at least one form is not changing... but that is false.
If the being results in being then a self-referentiality occurs thus resulting in awareness. This awareness is universal because of being through being occurs everywhere that there is being. As such the universe appears only to itself and as appearing to itself appears as nothing as it has no comparison; observation at is purest form is without definition, we know this because a beginner's mind is without form as it would not be a beginner's mind if it had form.
Is not always with beings, you are every form. When you realize it, you have just silence.
Every form as one is silence as the forms become formless.
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Re: P=-P IV

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:08 pm
CHNOPS wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:21 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 12:43 am

If the being results in being then a self-referentiality occurs thus resulting in awareness. This awareness is universal because of being through being occurs everywhere that there is being. As such the universe appears only to itself and as appearing to itself appears as nothing as it has no comparison; observation at is purest form is without definition, we know this because a beginner's mind is without form as it would not be a beginner's mind if it had form.
Is not always with beings, you are every form. When you realize it, you have just silence.
Every form as one is silence as the forms become formless.
Yes.
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