1. In discussing a phenomenon we prove it exists as discussion is pointing, pointing is existence.CHNOPS wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 2:41 am1- I am not proving anything, we cannot prove neither Determinism or Random. I am just explaining what determinism is for me.1. The contradiction in arguing for determinism is in the fact that the number of repetitions necessary to prove a deterministic universe are random thus free will is necessary to prove a deterministic universe.
2. Free will is the opposite of determinism and vice versa yet not only are both dependent upon the other for contrast, thus connected, but one results in the other:
2a. It is determined that free will exists as we point to free will when we speak of it and under a deterministic universe this conversation is determined.
2b. It is freely willed that determinism exists as every choice has a resulting order which proceeds from it.
The contradiction lies in the fact both are opposites yet this contradiction is contradicted as both exist through the other.
Tell me.... what is Freewill?
I think Freewill is just a concept that the people who say it dont understand that he is talking about Determinism or Random in the deeper.
So, can you try to explain what Freewill is and we can see if you are describing really anything?....
Because this:
doesnt make sense to me.Free will is a cause followed by effects. These effects are order as any action, such as free will, must have following actions if it is to exist. In these respects free will results in determinism. This determinism is a series of connected actions which result in each other and as such it is determined that there is free will as the sequence of actions results in a choice.
But if you want to learn, follow me, ok?
Just answer my questions.
Do you believe in an origin of the universe? Yes or Not ?
If yes, then, that first form, that first thing, was a "choice" ?
Or the Freewill is something that happens later in the evolution of the universe?
First that.
2. Freewill is the emergence of being as freedom is conducive to action and action is being.
3. The origin of everything is everything thus is self-referential, as self-referential there is no comparison thus origins are in nothing. The universe, relative to time and space (which is the universe), is always originating and as such the first cause is ever present as being occurs through being but this being is nothing as being through being is indefinite.
4. Free will is the ability to act, being through being is pure action.