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Relational Truths Mean Nothing
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Eod,
You have attributed your statement to me in your last post to me. I don't know how that happens. I have done it myself so just saying.
You have attributed your statement to me in your last post to me. I don't know how that happens. I have done it myself so just saying.
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There you go whining about "wining", if "wining" can be interpreted as "whining" then your grammar Nazism is futile; meaning is use.Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:54 pmWonderful projection. I love wining, especially wining and dining, with a nice Rioja. But I think you mean whining, which is what the entire thread is. You whining and projecting that onto others.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:13 amThere you go wining again because someone doesn't agree with your perspective of reality.Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:47 am This thread is the sad ramblings of a child who has reached adulthood and only now just realised with dismay the metaphorical nature of language and is now scared that he can't be so sure of himself or what others say to him anymore.
Well boo hoo. Most of us figure that out when we discover the difference between I and eye, when we are three years old
So stop BAWLING and start BALLING.
We all know what you; "NO!"
But of course none of this makes any sense to you because its all just relational.
DUH
Stating relational truths mean nothing, as they are self-negating, is far from a complaint as "no-thingness" is an absence of negativity.
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Tell me what these "things" are that relational truths point to if you disagree so much with the thread premise.Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:56 pmDon't forget to wave as you disappear up your own belly button!
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I am glad you are able to laugh at yourself considering you admit to being part of what you claim as "stupid", humor is important in life.
Now on to a further question, which I will repeat:
"What are these "things" which relational truths point to?"
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Yeah I don't know what is going on either, best just to copy and paste my points down and respond to each one individually, on whether you agree or disagree to them, I will respond later.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:38 pm Eod,
You have attributed your statement to me in your last post to me. I don't know how that happens. I have done it myself so just saying.
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You are realting "grammerism" to "Nazisim". Is this meaningless?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:57 pmThere you go whining about "wining", if "wining" can be interpreted as "whining" then your grammar Nazism is futile; meaning is use.
If stating relational truths mean nothing, then why do you keep on doing it?
Stating relational truths mean nothing, as they are self-negating, is far from a complaint as "no-thingness" is an absence of negativity. {NB. Oh look a relational truth}
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The gift of humour that keeps giving
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1. It is "relating" not "realting", considering you are obsessed with spelling. The relationship of "grammerism and nazism" need further contrast as they in themselves mean nothing on their own terms. In themselves they are empty. Meaning necessitates continuity but this continuity leads to a further paradox if infinite. This is considering infinite meaning is indefinite meaning. However if meaning is finite then meaning eventually passes and self negates.Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:58 amYou are realting "grammerism" to "Nazisim". Is this meaningless?If stating relational truths mean nothing, then why do you keep on doing it?
Stating relational truths mean nothing, as they are self-negating, is far from a complaint as "no-thingness" is an absence of negativity. {NB. Oh look a relational truth}
1a. In talking about relational truths, with this being a relational truth, I am pointing to no-thingness. This statement as well as the prior self-negate.
2. You are not listening, if a relational truth means nothing then a relational truth points to reality as an absence of thingness. Reality cannot be reduced to a thing.
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Now on to a further question, which I will repeat:Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:59 am
The gift of humour that keeps giving
"What are these "things" which relational truths point to?"
or better yet "what is a thing?"
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If you don't know that then you have no argument at all.
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A thing is a cognitive experience.
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A "cognitive experience," is certainly not nothing, but an experience is not an entity, it is an event. "Thing," usually refers to an entity, something that can be perceived. Perception, (seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, and tasting), is also an event, but it's not cognition and provides no knowledge. Animals perceive things, only human beings take cognizance of them. Cognition (i.e. conception) is the mental identification of that which is perceived by mean of language, a mental event requiring both volition and reason. Cognizance is just another word for knowledge.
Not sure how that can be described as a thing. A thing is what it is whether I or anything else is conscious of it or knows anything about it or not.
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["A "cognitive experience," is certainly not nothing, but an experience is not an entity, it is an event. "Thing," usually refers to an entity, something that can be perceived. Perception, (seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, and tasting), is also an event, but it's not cognition and provides no knowledge. Animals perceive things, only human beings take cognizance of them. Cognition (i.e. conception) is the mental identification of that which is perceived by mean of language, a mental event requiring both volition and reason. Cognizance is just another word for knowledge.
Not sure how that can be described as a thing. A thing is what it is whether I or anything else is conscious of it or knows anything about it or not.
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Experience is knowledge is meaning. I would say probably that a thing is a compounded experience meaning having more than one element to it. To know something is to know it cognitively this is the only way to know something, thus a thing cannot be said to exist outside of cognitive knowing it. Science/physics states that ultimate reality is a place of no things, thus I would say, in the absence of a conscious subject there are no things. Things are cognitive experiences. This relates back to Schopenhauer's statement also that, " Subject and object stand or fall together." I say then that in the absence of a conscious subject there are no things just as in the absence of object there is no mind or conscious subject.
Not sure how that can be described as a thing. A thing is what it is whether I or anything else is conscious of it or knows anything about it or not.
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RC,
Experience is knowledge is meaning. I would say probably that a thing is a compounded experience meaning having more than one element to it. To know something is to know it cognitively this is the only way to know something, thus a thing cannot be said to exist outside of cognitive knowing it. Science/physics states that ultimate reality is a place of no things, thus I would say, in the absence of a conscious subject there are no things. Things are cognitive experiences. This relates back to Schopenhauer's statement also that, " Subject and object stand or fall together." I say then that in the absence of a conscious subject there are no things just as in the absence of object there is no mind or conscious subject.