Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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Eodnhoj7
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Re: Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 5:46 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 6:59 pm
CHNOPS wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 2:00 pm

True.

El tiempo es la COMPARACIÓN entre 2 estados. Necesitás experimentar A y B para compararlos y eso es el "tiempo", el cambio de un estado a otro.
Time without time is like saying "change without change".
Time is not special. Is not a magic thing. Is not "an energy that moves the things". Is just that things, that we compare.
If it does not change that there is time then the phenomenon of time is not fully subject to time. Unending time is paradoxical.
The more things change the more they stay the same. The continual change in a series of apples dying and reproducing necessitates the apple as ever present thus unchanging. Change and no-change are intertwined.
All things are temporal, which makes your statement absurd.
To speak of the totality as being "x" is absurd considering the totality is without comparison, as it is everything, therefore indefinite. "All things" have all the contradictory qualities therefore negates into nothing; substance is an illusion of relativity.

Temporality is continuous as only being exists and time is a part of being. Time as continuous necessitates time as not subject to itself therefore the statement "time without time"; continual time necessitates time as not subject to itself.
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Re: Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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All things are temporal infers even change is temporal, of course this is semantics but it is semantics that makes sense--- lol!! Also, time is relative to the observer of the motions of the cosmos---- location location location!!
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popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:34 am All things are temporal infers even change is temporal, of course this is semantics but it is semantics that makes sense--- lol!! Also, time is relative to the observer of the motions of the cosmos---- location location location!!
If change is temporal then change self-negates leaving the absence of change as absolute as the absence of change is unconditional due to change referencing change.

Time is relative to the observer thus to observe the observer leaves what is relative being relative to the relative; furthermore, the relativity of relativity is self-referential leaving relativity as indefinite which mandates the indefinite as absolute as indefinitiveness has no comparison.
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Re: Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:27 pm Simlpify the universe.

Dont think the universe as stars, galaxies, simplify it as it is 3 píxels. Red, Green, Blue and Yellow.

Think the first origin of the universe asi it has the Red and Green pixel are in top and Blue and Yellow below.

Then, "one second later", imagine that in the top now are the Red and Blue pixel and below is Green and Yellow.

What is "time"?....

There are just that 4 pixels. Nothing more. Just the pixels...
Pixel referencing pixel is indefinite, reality is indefinite.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:42 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:34 am All things are temporal infers even change is temporal, of course this is semantics but it is semantics that makes sense--- lol!! Also, time is relative to the observer of the motions of the cosmos---- location location location!!
If change is temporal then change self-negates leaving the absence of change as absolute as the absence of change is unconditional due to change referencing change.

Time is relative to the observer thus to observe the observer leaves what is relative being relative to the relative; furthermore, the relativity of relativity is self-referential leaving relativity as indefinite which mandates the indefinite as absolute as indefinitiveness has no comparison.
Eodnho.
Sorry. I can not make any sense out this post of yours.
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Re: Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 7:58 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:42 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:34 am All things are temporal infers even change is temporal, of course this is semantics but it is semantics that makes sense--- lol!! Also, time is relative to the observer of the motions of the cosmos---- location location location!!
If change is temporal then change self-negates leaving the absence of change as absolute as the absence of change is unconditional due to change referencing change.

Time is relative to the observer thus to observe the observer leaves what is relative being relative to the relative; furthermore, the relativity of relativity is self-referential leaving relativity as indefinite which mandates the indefinite as absolute as indefinitiveness has no comparison.
Eodnho.
Sorry. I can not make any sense out this post of yours.
There is time.
Time is continuous.
As continuous time is not subject to changing its nature, time is always time.
Because time is always time there is a thing which does not change and this is time.
Because time does not change there is a thing which does not change.
This thing which does not change is intemporal.
There is no time for time.
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Re: Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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Eodnho.
Sorry. I can not make any sense out this post of yours.
[/quote]

There is time.
Time is continuous.
As continuous time is not subject to changing its nature, time is always time.
Because time is always time there is a thing which does not change and this is time.
Because time does not change there is a thing which does not change.
This thing which does not change is intemporal.
There is no time for time.
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Eodnho,
Time is relative and changes with location and one's relative speed I believe. It might be true that it is relatively unchanging in one given location but even the music of spheres changes. Your syllogism seems to work, but is in error never the less.
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Re: Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:44 am
CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:27 pm Simlpify the universe.

Dont think the universe as stars, galaxies, simplify it as it is 3 píxels. Red, Green, Blue and Yellow.

Think the first origin of the universe asi it has the Red and Green pixel are in top and Blue and Yellow below.

Then, "one second later", imagine that in the top now are the Red and Blue pixel and below is Green and Yellow.

What is "time"?....

There are just that 4 pixels. Nothing more. Just the pixels...
Pixel referencing pixel is indefinite, reality is indefinite.
what do you mean by "referencing" ?

if you are the pixel Green, you have a diference experience that the pixel Blue or Red or Yellow.

that is the referencing. Is arbritrary. You choose where you can put the Observer to see the universe.

i dont get why this make any problem.
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Re: Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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CHNOPS wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 2:25 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:44 am
CHNOPS wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:27 pm Simlpify the universe.

Dont think the universe as stars, galaxies, simplify it as it is 3 píxels. Red, Green, Blue and Yellow.

Think the first origin of the universe asi it has the Red and Green pixel are in top and Blue and Yellow below.

Then, "one second later", imagine that in the top now are the Red and Blue pixel and below is Green and Yellow.

What is "time"?....

There are just that 4 pixels. Nothing more. Just the pixels...
Pixel referencing pixel is indefinite, reality is indefinite.
what do you mean by "referencing" ?

if you are the pixel Green, you have a diference experience that the pixel Blue or Red or Yellow.

that is the referencing. Is arbritrary. You choose where you can put the Observer to see the universe.

i dont get why this make any problem.
1. One pixel points to another pixel as the contrast between pixels allows for the distinction necessary for said pixel to occur.

2. The green, blue, red and yellow pixels share the same experience of pixel as these phenomena share the underlying quality of "pixel".

3. Being through being makes the universe self-aware because of self-referentiality, the observer cannot be localized to a relative time/space position.
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Re: Relational Truths Mean Nothing

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1, 2 - Well, when i talk about the pixels, I talk about like if i were an SuperObserver that is fictional, where I see the universe from above.

But that Observer dont exist, so, the only observers are the pixels...

And if the observer is the pixel Yellow, then it will no see Blue and Red, it will see (Blue and Red) yellowed.....

The same with other pixels, that see diference.

3- There is a diference between what i has called Observer and what God is. I just say Observer as a reference interaction, like cience talk about it, beyond talking about perception.

Is God the Perceptor that cannot be localized in a space-time.
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