Mr. Wiggle wrote:
Er... no . I am totally not saying that is any sense what ever.
You never fail to disappont
iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:35 pmRight. As long as you avoid altogether bringing his Dasein down out of those intellectual clouds. And I am more than willing to let you pick the issue and the context.
Absolutely shameless. What, making this all about me not grasping Heidegger's "philosophical" Dasein, rather than in how Heidegger's "philosophical" Dasein can be made applicable to actual human interactions that come into conflict over value judgments?! Grow a pair and let's bring it down to Earth.Mr. Wiggle, Wiggle, Wiggle wrote:No, once again you are just wrong.
You simply failed to understand what I described. We can talk about it or not. You can take off the shelf or not. but my guess is that you are pissed off because you cannot reach the shelf, because you don't have to chops.
Instead you just put up a smokescreen of sour grapes.
Not so with my dasein.
Again, think my own assessment of dasein in this thread -- https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529 -- is bullshit?
Okay, pick an issue, pick a context, and let's explore our respective takes on human identity out in the is/ought world then.
Well, first, of course, there is the biological reality of natural selection itself. Sans 1] God or 2] a teleological component to nature itself, it all unfolds through random mutations. Genes are modified -- why? what's behind that? -- and species change and evolve. Then survival of the fittest. Adapt or die.
Only when it all evolved into the human species the conscious mind itself [given free will] becomes the self-conscious mind and nature itself becomes increasingly more embedded in nurture. Genes? Meet memes.
Historical, cultural and experiential memes/variables such that depending on when and where you are "thrown" adventitiously into a particular world at birth, you may be indoctrinated to believe in any number of different [and ofttimes conflicting] things about any number of different behaviors that are either prescribed or proscribed.
And then a few thousand years ago, re Marx, the means of production advanced to the point where "surplus labor" was increasingly available for other things.
Being philosophers for example. Or theologians. And some of those folks then "thought up" any number of God and No God objectivisms such that it was commanded that all rational and virtuous men and women were now deontologically obligated to think "wisely" about morality and ethics and political science.
Some going so far as to insist this was categorical and imperative.
Or, uh, be deemed a moron and a retard?
No, my dasein here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529
And there, that pertains to "I" at the existential intersection of identity, value judgments, conflicting goods and political economy.
Given a particular context.
Which the Mr. Wiggles here avoid like the plague.